"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Wiretapping women

Scaramouche

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Dear TicTac,
" This whole thread reeks "...Never a truer word spoken...Maybe you have to be 64 to understand this?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Bigger issue is the OP let two women live with him rent free... he was angry they went out and saw other guys, as if paying rent meant he was in an exclusive relationship with them
 

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Eavesdropping or spying virtually ALWAYs ends up with a destroyed relationship. You start hearing things out of context and interpreting them inaccurately, and you become paranoid and mistrustful.

Next thing that happens is you start to harbor resentments for things you've heard (and are interpreting in the worst possible light), which affects how you relate to her. She picks up on your attitude, and the downward spiral has begun.

It's best to use other means to deduce what's going on with her. Spying will surely destroy things, and it will be a slow, painful death of the relationship.
 

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Eavesdropping or spying virtually ALWAYs ends up with a destroyed relationship. You start hearing things out of context and interpreting them inaccurately, and you become paranoid and mistrustful.

Next thing that happens is you start to harbor resentments for things you've heard (and are interpreting in the worst possible light), which affects how you relate to her. She picks up on your attitude, and the downward spiral has begun.

It's best to use other means to deduce what's going on with her. Spying will surely destroy things, and it will be a slow, painful death of the relationship.
Yep. If in the absence of some compelling reason, you're suspicious or paranoid enough to be eavesdropping, not much good is going to happen next.
 

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feh sometimes you don't even need that much, people talk, and you can guess on what you heard, most of time I overheard people talking about others, and I just heard like a phrase or 2, normally that is enough for me to guess what they are talking about, and after some months I heard the whole history and yeah I guessed right.

but the real question here is you not needing to do it, if you do is just to have info on things so you can use to your advantage later, i'm all up to know more then you lot others know and save it till you really need to use it, but in a dating context you shouldn't care, if your gut feeling tells you foul play you start to look around, if you in a marriage and need some info for the divorce, check what is legal and can be used or just to know how to prove it later its ok
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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putting aside the fact that OP is Beta, If you go looking for something you are always bound to find it. It's like opening pandora's box. Ignorance is bliss. How many more cliches do we need? Just do your own thing except paying for two wh0res to live with you without banging them multiple times every night.
 

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I gotta say every time I come here and see the thread "Wiretapping women" up top I just have to pause and laugh... like every time. "Wiretapping women"... lmao
 

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Wiretapping a girl is the definition of taking this sh*t too seriously. Better to just not be that bothered by what she could be doing.

You should be willing to walk away long before you resort to wiretapping. If your gut is telling you she's cheating, seek companionship elsewhere.. or just stop being so insecure about it
 
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