"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Wingwoman

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Well last night I was hanging out with my friend and his mistress at a billiards hall and we starting talking about gaming. She dared me to approach a few waitress' and I did with a little success but mostly balls for ****s and giggles. She was pretty much gaming her the whole night by being sexual and fun. I had her talking dirty to me playing push/pull with comedy routines then leaving to go talk to other people. She even showed me her tits which was quite an achievement since she's banged my buddy about 15 times and even he's never seen them. I'm not going to bang her because she's a bit of a nympho and I'm really scared of catching something. Trust me, it wouldn't be that hard too. We faked hardcore sex scene talk and the **** that came out of this girls mouth was unbelieveable, she's been around the block pornstar style

Anyway, I called her out saying that she was all talk about gaming cus I hadn't seen her do anything with anyone in the bar. I then asked her if she wanted to be my wingwoman and she agreed to go clubbing with me to pick up chicks. Cool, a pivot.

I've never really had a wingwoman before in bars. What are some ways to go about this master don juans? I know it's great social proof to approach sets with girls to hit on girls but I'm only familiar with guy wings.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Hmmm another question not covered in tips and lo and behold no one answers!

In general a wingwoman (or pivot) will operate just like a wingman but way better. They won't grass cut ya, they are way more intuitive and will spot a girl giving you IOIs way faster that a guy.

I found the main difference with a wingwoman is that you can play WAY more natural game. You can just open and its cool. They just assume that you to are a couple and there is no ***** shield. When they discover you are just friends then its too late for those shields to reurn, you have rapport (or you should!)

Its generally better for the girl to open the set. This makes the entire thing even more disarming.

And they can get girls to do **** that your wingman never could. I think it comes down to that female mentality of not wanting to seem a slut or whatever in front of other girls. If there is a girl there saying, "its cool to do this," they really loosen up.

One night I was out with the boys pissing on. The only girl present was my (former) FB. We were going pretty hard on the powers in those days and we (or the rest of the boys) decided to go to a strip club.

I was like, "wanna come back to my place?" to her. I was thinking there was no need for me to go to a strip club when I could get a private show from her for free.

She was like "I wanna go to the strip club too!"

One of my boys was like, "we can't go into a strip club with just one girl." That was just excuse, we were happy to have her out as social proof and a pivot but this was sacred men's business.

She got up and walked off. My mate was like "did I make her angry?" He didn't want to piss her off. She was a solid 9, great great fun and a total deviant.

Buzzing off my head I didn't care. She came back five minutes later with three hotties, "this is A, B and C," She had a big smile on her face that said "haha I showed you guys!". "They are coming too!"

And they did!

I later asked how she did it and she said all she had to do was spy a bunch of girls giving off vibes of wanting to meet guys walked up and said, "hi I'm L. Do you want to come to a strip club with me and a bunch of really cool guys?"

"Sure." They said.

The girl you describe sounds similar to this girl (though way more slutty... this girl was more a party chick). You've hit the jackpot, make hay while the sunshines coz she won't do it forever (I'll mention why in a sec).

The downsides is that with a wingwoman is that you don't get that sexual tension surge that you get when you have another guy with game with you stoking the fires simultaneously.

Finally.

A wingwoman needs to get something out of it too. At first its good fun for them but pretty soon they get over it (at least in my experience). So you need to give them a lot of attention and make sure they have a great time.

You'll find that when things are going really well with a girl you met a male wingman will be stoked to be ignored by you, your wingwoman however will begin asking herself why she's doing this as she sits alone in a bar as every other girl is laughing at her "that chick just got dumped by her date for another girl."

JJ
 

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thanks, that helps

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You guys are killin me here.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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