Wings Who Undermine You

[steppenwolf]

I've faced this so many times, it leads me to the logical conclusion that I should not have a wing at all. Yet, emotionally, I feel a lot more comfortable rolling out with a friend or two when I go out.

Here's the latest goof wing I'm dealing with. This dude even though 25, is emotionally about 12-15 years of age. He is very passive aggressive and low self esteem. I number closed this one gal last weekend, and he mentions: "Ha ha, she's a coke hor! Frigging coke hor!"

I was like, uuuh, ok.

Strangely, the next day he texts me and says: "dude, you should bring that girl you met out."

I said "why? isn't she a coke hor?"

His reply: "doesn't matter dude, we'll use her for social proof."

This dude is so friggin' lost he'll attempt to undermine any success I have by insulting the girl I meet. Then, he'll try to use her anyway, to get more girls.

That's his plan anyway. Right now, he has no problem meeting girls. The thing, they're all quite fat.

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Also, he has a tendency to barge in on conversations whenever I open. This usually leads the girl to cringe, frown, or otherwise show great disdain. Then he asks me later: "dude, she was totally into me! You did something wrong!"

Anyway, this guy is not a wing at all, he's just a user-loser. I need to ditch him fast.

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I have no idea why this is the case, but the game attracts an inordinate number of goofs like the person I just encountered. Maybe I'm just unlucky. Maybe pickup attracts the most socially uncalibrated and weird guys. Or both.

 

[blueline]

The other night, this cute girl's friend told me that her friend wanted to dance with me. So, I chatted the girl's cute friend up a bit before dancing with her (boring introduction stuff), and then say, "Well, you wanted to dance, right? Let's go" and I grab her by the wrist and walk her onto the floor. All the while doing this, she does that "omg" look to her friend and laughs. The conversation starts to peter out a bit whilst dancing (still lingering around a bit on boring introduction stuff) and then my wing comes over and introduces himself to her, and starts chatting her up (LOL, wtf man?) basically blowing me out of the set with his dumbassery.

I think I'm done with winging with this kid or anybody from The Community. While he's saved my ass once by distracting this girl's fat friend (going as far as as even making out with her) while I was sticking my hand in her cute friend's pants. I've also seen him pull some pretty spectacular looking girls, too, and he definitely has serious skills, but this is the second time he's pulled this crap on me. I've seen what can be accomplished through pick up through him and a few others, but I don't think I really need this kid anymore.

How hard is it going out by yourself? I'm still a noobie to some extent to the club scene, but I don't see any reason not to.

 

[Veridin]

Anyway, this guy is not a wing at all, he's just a user-loser. I need to ditch him fast.

Yes, I was going to write, that guy is not a friend at all, but it seems you already know that. To use that language, to be that insulting to a girl who hasn't done anything to deserve it, and then to try to steal her anyway - this is a guy with no class.

 

[steppenwolf]

Yeah, the only reason I've been tolerating it for so long is that it feels more natural to hang out with other people on a night out. Actually, I've gone out on my own from time to time and everyone has been very accepting each time, so no biggie.

 

[Jitterbug]

Rule #1: Only wing with a guy who's sexually attractive to women (not just looks obviously).

Don't wing with losers or newbies still struggling with the basics, because both of you will make zero progress.

 

[Solomon]

and another one

@Step

Where did you meet this guy?

I knew writing the "How to be a good wing" in the tips section would be a usefull this thing is an epidemenic in the community

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=168038
^^^I suggest reading this

When it comes to going out, I prefer going out with one wing myself, but then going out and doing my "own" thing. But depending on the venue I'm at I got enough Social Proof(girls included). where it doesn't matter who I'm with

Having recently gone through a similar situation (it seems I go through this crap at least once a year with a wing) It's important to look for someone who you on the same page with. Someone who respects you and is a postive perosn to be around. If you with someone who disses your taste, drop him(or tries to amog you)! negative mindsets aren't needed out on the field, espeically from your wing!

@Jitter--I don't agree with not going out with newbies, I think if you have newbie who is willing to work hard to get better it can be a rewarding experince

 

[Jitterbug]

@Jitter--I don't agree with not going out with newbies, I think if you have newbie who is willing to work hard to get better it can be a rewarding experince

Maybe. But I don't think taking newbies to the most cut-throat pick-up environment of all is a good idea. Newbies can & should practice their basics (approaching, striking up & holding conversations with women) elsewhere on their own.

Personally I've winged a few newbies & never found it useful.

 

[Solomon]

Maybe. But I don't think taking newbies to the most cut-throat pick-up environment of all is a good idea. Newbies can & should practice their basics (approaching, striking up & holding conversations with women) elsewhere on their own.

Personally I've winged a few newbies & never found it useful.

You know Jitter I do agree that Newbies should pratice on their own
This helped me tremousdously when I was the only "brother" "sarging" in the backwoods of wisconsin(helped my confidence out a ton, etc).

However sometimes even a Newbie needs to see how it's done from a vet(not calling myself one at all, I've seen guys who could game circles around me)

but yeah I do agree it's annoying telling someone to approach and their to scared or whatever, had that happend. I love one of my wings I just tell to apporach and he's like "what set?"

lol

 

[kody_starr]

This "wing" doesn't have a problem approaching (he will approach, and get blown out usually in about five seconds, if not less), he has a problem with integrity. He doesn't understand it.

People are simply resources, or tools to get what he wants: money, status, pvssy, whatever. He doesn't value people as people, only as objects to use. The thing is, he can't attract high status people because his value is so low. He doesn't have much to offer himself. In other words, he seeks to suck value out of people, but has little to offer in return.