Will the $100 genome test definitively destroy cuckoldery?

[MatureDJ]

I was reading that it is expected rather soon that a complete genome test will drop down to the price of only $100, meaning that it will become a regular test done at birth, so that it can be an important piece of data in one's medical file.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/healthcare-it/22813/breaking-code-potential-100-genome

I would presume that there would be some standard form of the genetic markers such an aware father could easily determine if there are a lot of "foreign" markers that shouldn't be there. :cuss: And as well, I could see some men's rights groups setting up a simple to use web app that would allow any concerned man an easy way to determine his paternity. But best of all, this would not require a man to go out of his way to get a test done - as he could simply sneak onto the computer for a few minutes.

In very short order this will result in slew of news stories, which will impress upon the cuckolding mothers that they won't be able to get away with that behavior anymore - i.e., they know that they will get caught.

Of course, I can forsee how the feminists will try to thwart this, for "the children", and even try to get laws passed that say a married man is legally the father even if the genetic test done at birth show otherwise. :cuss: :cuss:

If that type of law were to come to pass, do you think that would have an effect on the marriage rate? :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

 

[Tictac]

Sure. Just have a name tag made up with your genome on it.

Ought to do wonders for you.

 

[VikingKing]

The combination of specific laws and mantras makes me guess that this will be cut off at the knees, at least as a utility for men to protect themselves.

Why?

Because in places like Germany, it is already illegal to do a genetic test on your child for determining if you are the Father.

Secondly, the oft repeated trope of "You don't have to be the child's genetic Dad to be a Father".


Look for mitigating laws to be put in place to disallow men the ability to so easily determine if the child is their's.

Thats fcked up. You have to have both parents consent, otherwise its considered "secret paternity testing." What if the mother is refusing?

Germany[edit]
Under a 2009 law, secret paternity testing is illegal, and any paternity testing must be conducted by a licensed physician and with the consent of both parents with the exception of sexual abuse and rape cases. Any genetic testing done without the other parents' consent is punishable with a 5,000-Euro fine.[23] Paternity testing with legal standing must be ordered by courts, and court-ordered tests are allowed even against the consent of the mother. Due to a reform in the law, any man who contests paternity no longer automatically severs legal rights and obligations to the child.[24][25]

Also http://www.dw.de/anxious-fathers-welcome-new-paternity-test-law/a-3142893-1

Criticism of the new law came from the opposition Green and Left parties, however, who argued that it failed adequately to protect the interests of the child.
But supporters say the new law makes the child's interests a top priority. A court may rule against a paternity test if it decides that a child is emotionally or psychologically unable to withstand the potential effect.
Although there are no official figures, experts estimate that up to 10 percent of children are raised by men who are not their biological fathers.

 

[MatureDJ]

Wait a minute. It sounds like in Germany, a wife can cuckold her husband and then simply refuse to allow him to get a paternity test? I presume that even if he were to divorce her because of it, she could still refuse it, making him, as putative father, responsible for child support, with no way out? WTF?

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

 

[VikingKing]

Wait a minute. It sounds like in Germany, a wife can cuckold her husband and then simply refuse to allow him to get a paternity test? I presume that even if he were to divorce her because of it, she could still refuse it, making him, as putative father, responsible for child support, with no way out? WTF?

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Yeah as bad as that is, Sweden is 100x worse.

 

[Married Buried]

You don't need a genome test. I was in Walgreens the other day and they have a paternity test on the shelf now. All you have to do it swipe the kids DNA with one swab, swipe your DNA with the other, send it to the lab and they will contact you with the results.

If a man is too stupid to do this then he gets what he deserves. It's like 30 bucks on the shelf at Walgreens, the woman doesn't even have to know.

I just did a search and Walmart even has it now:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/10740658?...75027870&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=34189540510&veh=sem

 

[Married Buried]

The point is that it is illegal for a man to do this without the wife's consent.

Who cares about illegal? You do the test if it comes back negative you do it again. If it comes back twice you kick the b!tch to the curb. But who is really going to do that? I bet this test is not selling much, too many men ignorant.

 

[Married Buried]

And you will still be liable for paying for the child that is not yours.

Additionally, if you are caught, you are now a criminal and get to pay the price, whatever that may be in Germany.

Do you have a link that says both parents must give consent for a paternity test? I am reading where it says only 1 parent has to give consent.

http://www.dna-worldwide.com/resource-centre/testing-consent/hta-act-on-consent/

Parental Consent for Paternity Testing

Taking a DNA test has life changing consequences, therefore we encourage both the mother and the father to be fully aware of any DNA test. However we understand there are circumstances when this is not possible. Since the 1st September 2006 if you are having a DNA test carried out and are not submitting the mother's DNA for testing then a person with parental responsibility for the child must sign this consent form and send back with the DNA samples.

Q. How do I know if I have parental responsibility?
If the child was born from the 1 December 2003 onwards then new changes in the law mean unmarried fathers get equal parental responsibility. All you have to do is for both parents to register the birth of your baby together. If your child was born before this date then you could only gain parental responsibility by being married or marrying the child's mother, signing an official agreement with the mother or getting a court order.

Q. Why do I need parental responsibility?
Parental responsibility for your child gives you important legal rights as well as responsibilities. Without it, you don't have any right to be involved in decisions such as where they live, their education, religion or medical treatment including using their DNA for a DNA Test. With parental responsibility, you are treated in law as the child's parent and you take equal responsibility for bringing them up.

 

[VikingKing]

By the way, I think what you'll see is a lot of "secret" tests and a lot of crazy cases. To me the evidence trumps all. Kind of like when government information gets leaked and the papers print it. Once it's out there it can't (or shouldn't) be discounted.

Often times evidence doesn't matter in civil cases. This is a logical thing to think however it doesn't matter. Look the way the law is written it basically says if you don't have both parents consent, its a secret paternity test, the courts will not recognize it as valid evidence (even though every one knows the truth) and on top of that you can be fined 5,000 euros.

Even after all of that, the divorce courts will still rape you and your still liable for some one else's child.

 

[Married Buried]

You are citing UK law. Do a search for Germany. Noobology provided text for it so you can search based on that.

So this is wrong then? And who cares about Germany, I thought we are trying to find the laws in the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_testing#United_States

United States

In the United States, paternity testing is fully legal, and fathers may test their children without the consent or knowledge of the mother. Paternity testing take-home kits are readily available for purchase, though their results are not admissible in court, and are for personal knowledge only. Only a court-ordered paternity test may be used as evidence in court proceedings. If parental testing is being submitted for legal purposes in the U.S. including immigration, testing must be ordered through a lab that has AABB accreditation for Relationship DNA testing. All accredited labs are listed on the AABB's website.[17] The legal implications of a paternity result test vary by state and according to whether the putative parents are unmarried or married. If a paternity test does not meet forensic standards for the state in question, a court ordered forensic test may be required for the results of the test to have legal meaning. For unmarried parents, if a parent is currently receiving child support or custody, but DNA proves that the man is not the father later on, the support automatically stops; however, in many states this testing must be performed during a narrow time window if a voluntary acknowledgment of parentage form has already been signed by the putative father; otherwise, the results of the test may be disregarded by law, and in many cases a man may be required to pay child support even though the child is biologically unrelated. In a few states, if the mother is receiving the support, then that alleged father has the right to file a lawsuit to get back any money that he lost from paying support. As of 2011, and in most states, unwed parents confronted with a voluntary acknowledgement of parentage form are informed of the possibility and right to request a DNA paternity test. If testing is refused by the mother, the father may not be required to sign the birth certificate or the voluntary acknowledgement of parentage form for the child. For wedded putative parents, the husband of the mother is presumed to be the father of the child. However, in most states, this presumption can be overturned by the application of a forensic paternity test, but in many states the time for overturn this presumption may be limited to the first few years of the child's life, depending on the law of the state in question.

 

[Married Buried]

For a man who constantly touts a foreign wife, I find it odd that you only care about laws in the US.

What is wrong in the US is the concept that if you signed the birth certificate, or if you are already considered the child's.

And yes there are several parts in your text that are very wrong.

Unless of course you think this is ok....




I presume you will be getting a DNA test for your children as soon as they are born then?

I am not planning on doing the test if I have a kid. How stupid can a guy be to not notice if the kid looks like him or not? If anything seems off with the kid, ofcourse I would. It's not rocket science.

 

[MatureDJ]

I am not planning on doing the test if I have a kid. How stupid can a guy be to not notice if the kid looks like him or not? If anything seems off with the kid, ofcourse I would. It's not rocket science.

http://daletech.tumblr.com/post/16390142469/the-gribble-family

I applaud the writers of this show for adding this little twist.

 

[zekko]

From the government's point of view, I imagine their fear is that if they let the cuckholded fathers off the hook, then the state is going to be stuck with the bill of raising these kids. Then there is the "think of the children" aspect also, since their lives would likely be thrown into turmoil.

That's why I think that securing rights for cuckholded fathers is going to be an uphill battle. On the other hand, if there's a cheap and easy test available, they might be able to start raising some empathy.

 

[zekko]

You would be hard pressed to find much precedent today where we truly put the child's interests ahead of the mothers similar to how we put the child before the father.

Very true, unfortunately. The children only seem to matter when women stand to benefit also.

 

[VikingKing]

Wait a minute. It sounds like in Germany, a wife can cuckold her husband and then simply refuse to allow him to get a paternity test? I presume that even if he were to divorce her because of it, she could still refuse it, making him, as putative father, responsible for child support, with no way out? WTF?

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Look. I get a pang of anger when I read chit like this to. Yes it is wrong, unfair, even possibly evil. Then i get over and have no emotion.

I've noticed a trend in your posts is looking for examples of men getting fvcked by the government.

yes it happens in all western countries. Yes its fvcked up.

I used to do this also. But whats the point of getting all worked up and angry. This will not be conducive to your future, or the rights of any men.

It's fine to be aware and acknowledge these crimes against society (if I ruled the world, feminists would be executed before the child fvckers.

You already know it was hard to be a man before feminism, and not its even harder.

Hypergamy is not the enemy, feminism is.

so take what you want from my words.

 

[VikingKing]

What would solve cuckoldry would be having a paternity test immediately after the baby is born, and if its not his child, he gets to walk away from the whole situation, including the marriage with zero financial or legal repercussions. A get out of jail free card.

 

[dasein]

Look. I get a pang of anger when I read chit like this to. Yes it is wrong, unfair, even possibly evil. Then i get over and have no emotion.

Don't get all bent out of shape or dwell on it, but don't be passive either and do get the word out repetitively. It is the only way to have change. The feminist lobby is -extremely- powerful and influential, diverts billions of dollars in a discriminatory way every year. The thread issue is the tiny tip of the iceberg. Being silent and passive means more of the same. It's just posts on a forum, but even those can do loads of good in getting people aware.

 

[Married Buried]

Do you think you can tell at the moment of birth, when you sign the birth certificate, that the child is not yours?

I am not worried about it. I honestly trust her. If she cheats on me and has another mans kid I will be the first one to come here and post about it and tell everyone I was wrong. If she does any cheating or wrongdoings at all I will come post. She never makes me come post.

If you EVER have to post about your woman screwing with you, it's over. Once she starts causing any problems that you have to post on SS about it's a huge red flag and it won't work out most likely. How many guys who know what they are doing and in happy relationships come here asking for advice? Nobody.

 

[Married Buried]

While I agree with the above, the entire point of paternity testing (from a man's perspective) is to protect their life and liberty.

No woman should have a claim on a man because he was the victim of paternity fraud.

When States actively suppress a man's ability to protect himself, and actively seek to collect money from men who have been defrauded, then the State itself becomes an agent of fraud.

It is like we say in other threads. You can never know for sure if she is fvking around on you. We only go by our gut and screen them well. Do you honestly think you should have to pay for 21 years on a child that isn't yours because you did not scree well? Should any man have to even if he did not screen well?

We may only be men, but we have rights too.

Ofcourse you shouldn't have to pay if you find out later the kid isn't yours. In fact, the woman should pay either with prison time or pay the man for mental distress. Coluldn't the man SUE the woman in this case for emotional trauma or something?

How in the hell did that law get on the books anyway? How in the hell did any of these rape men in court laws get on the books? Prepare your orifice men, we are all going to get raped.

 

[Rubirosa]

I don't remember where I read it (might have been somewhere on this forum), but a man successfully sued his ex wife for false paternity on the grounds of "bereavement". The argument was that he had lost a child.