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Why you shouldn't depend on a woman for your need to socialize

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The problem doesn't lie in the fact that men and women can't be friends to the degree that they can't socialise with eachother and have interesting discussions.

The problem lies in that when you depend on a romantic partner for both romantic needs and social needs, then it can blur the lines and create power imbalances.

Because men generally have fewer social circles than women, which means that if a man depends on his girlfriend for both romance and socialising, he ends up needing her more than she needs him for socialising, since women generally have more friends than men.

And if the romance ends, now he also lost someone he depended on for socialising.
 
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Because men generally have fewer social circles than women,
Men tend to form long-lasting relationships with other men, while women tend to form shorter, more opportunistic ones.
This explains why men can count their friends on the tips of their fingers and women on the tips of their hair.

So it's not bad to have female friends; in fact, it's good to socialize with women and have female friends, because they are excellent conduits for making other friends.
 

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Men tend to form long-lasting relationships with other men, while women tend to form shorter, more opportunistic ones.
This explains why men can count their friends on the tips of their fingers and women on the tips of their hair.

So it's not bad to have female friends; in fact, it's good to socialize with women and have female friends, because they are excellent conduits for making other friends.
Sure, I don't oppose female friends.
I'm more against depending on your romantic partner for you social needs.

As it can easily create too much expectations and demand, which can end up hurting the relationship.
 

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I am in a similar situation with my current partner and TBH I really don't care. If the relationship ends, then I will find something else to do. I have pretty much outgrown the majority of my friends at this point, and I would rather spend my spare free time and mental energy doing things that I want to do.
 

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men generally have fewer social circles than women, which means that if a man depends on his girlfriend for both romance and socialising, he ends up needing her more than she needs him for socialising, since women generally have more friends than men.
This tends to be a bigger issue for men in extended relationships. As relationships progress, many men lose many of their social connections, especially with men in shorter relationships. There are longer term married men who are friends with other longer term married men. The quality of those friendships varies.

There can be an issue with males who lack significant female relationships AND also lack friendships with male friends. This can happen for 30+ unmarried men who have less stable relationships, aren't good at getting short term casual sex, and most of their male connections are married or in well established LTRs.
 

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This tends to be a bigger issue for men in extended relationships. As relationships progress, many men lose many of their social connections, especially with men in shorter relationships. There are longer term married men who are friends with other longer term married men. The quality of those friendships varies.
My friend asked me what run club I participate in, and I said xyz and he said that he won't show up because he's looking for single baddies.
 

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My friend asked me what run club I participate in, and I said xyz and he said that he won't show up because he's looking for single baddies.
Both running and walking clubs are good ways to meet women. I think walking clubs are superior because it's more possible to talk during the walk. Run clubs are still good as they offer socialization after the run in some cases.

Is your specific run club more of married women and women in extended long term relationships? Many run clubs have unmarried women seeking dates. I'm not understanding your friend's point of view.
 

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This has never been an issue for me, most of the women I have dated post-college, my social circle has been far better and bigger than theirs. Unless I date a woman from my social circle this is really a non-issue I don't date women to socialize with them or their circle anyway, so for me it's a moot point.
 

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This tends to be a bigger issue for men in extended relationships. As relationships progress, many men lose many of their social connections, especially with men in shorter relationships. There are longer term married men who are friends with other longer term married men. The quality of those friendships varies.

There can be an issue with males who lack significant female relationships AND also lack friendships with male friends. This can happen for 30+ unmarried men who have less stable relationships, aren't good at getting short term casual sex, and most of their male connections are married or in well established LTRs.
Let's call a spade a spade shall we?

Most men willingly ditch their friends for a piece of p00sy. They won't risk their gf falling for any man that he himself brought into "their" life, even if it was a homie who went through hell and back with him.

That's as wrong as a ltr foundation can get!!!

The more isolated the woman gets the more a man feels he's in control. So HE will be satisfied while SHE will try to escape. She'll be making social contacts left and right; the police man, in the grocery store , at the drugsstore, neighbours, she be calling with old friends, family members ect ect ect.

So the man believes they're living a safe and isolated life while she is ranking up social contacts behind his back. Next She'll be talking shyte about dude over and over again. People will occasionally meet dude smiling in his face while wishing him dead..

Untill she has so many " whispers " who reflect her shyte talking( leave him!!) that they will help her try to make a "grande escape" from dude.

End of the story dudes ends up alone and isolated and she moves on.. men do this to themselves and deserve the consequences.

Finne
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Both running and walking clubs are good ways to meet women. I think walking clubs are superior because it's more possible to talk during the walk. Run clubs are still good as they offer socialization after the run in some cases.

Is your specific run club more of married women and women in extended long term relationships? Many run clubs have unmarried women seeking dates. I'm not understanding your friend's point of view.
My run club is full of rich yuppie millennials with kids lol.
 

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Most men willingly ditch their friends for a piece of p00sy.
This is true. When men get into more serious relationships, they tend to spend less time with other men. They are more prone to ditch their friends in less stable relationships/completely single ones. They are more likely to retain friendships with other men in similar relationships but even those relationships can be affected by the responsibilities of serious couplehood.

End of the story dudes ends up alone and isolated and she moves on.. men do this to themselves and deserve the consequences.
That's usually what happens.

My run club is full of rich yuppie millennials with kids lol.
There's a lot of media hype about childless Millennials but I tend to know far more 1980s born Millennials with children than without children.

Your run club being full of rich yuppie Millennials with children sounds like some sort of suburban run club. In the Dallas-Fort Worth area, I could imagine run clubs in places like Frisco, Plano, or Flower Mound being like that.
 

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Think Houston lol
When I think about Houston (an area I do not know as well as Dallas), I would think that audience would be in Katy, Sugar Land, or The Woodlands.
 

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And if the romance ends, now he also lost someone he depended on for socialising.
True the lack of social support that comes after a break-up/seperatation is definitely a kick to the gut that makes the break-up/seperation feel even ten times worst t han it should. This happened twice with me in the past. You go from having a gf, and socialization with her circle, and feeling part of something, to having that rug pulled from under you and ending up with almost worst than nothing in how you were before you met her.

One of the things I can say positively about my eternal dry-spell is that each year has been the same in a social sense or if there has been changes, they are subtle and over time, nothing too aggressive to feel like you crashed like in past break-up experiences I had. These type of things cause the seperation/break-up to linger for a long-time in the system since your body has to readjust to a solitary lifestyle and rediscover the "loner" part of yourself.

It comes to the point that if a woman doesn't have a family or social circle and is like more on her own, she'd probably be better to deal with since there her friends can't stick their noses where they don't belong and you won't feel like you've got the social rug pulled from under you if things go south with her.
 

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This is true. When men get into more serious relationships, they tend to spend less time with other men. They are more prone to ditch their friends in less stable relationships/completely single ones. They are more likely to retain friendships with other men in similar relationships but even those relationships can be affected by the responsibilities of serious couplehood.



That's usually what happens.



There's a lot of media hype about childless Millennials but I tend to know far more 1980s born Millennials with children than without children.

Your run club being full of rich yuppie Millennials with children sounds like some sort of suburban run club. In the Dallas-Fort Worth area, I could imagine run clubs in places like Frisco, Plano, or Flower Mound being like that.
It's important to most men that they can play house and pretend everything is going kumbaja in their house . While we all know that's not how it works.

If you're dealing with a woman 24,7 you're going to show her your weaknesses and she'll unconsciously "little brother" you more an more, especially when you lack both experience with women and experience living on your own. Let alone dealing with kids..

But the worst part to refer to my first paragraph, is the fact men don't talk about their problems. So even if you're "new forced homie" has relationship problems he won't talk about it. While women...they'll spit that shyte without hesitation wether it's about the dead bedroom or your bad behaviour...

One of my friends goes through some similar now with an hb7,5+, more and more issues and yet he tries to double down on locking her in by marriage now...instead of taking some rough advice and taking it slow. Eventually she'll jump ship like usual and "honor " the - women break up 80% of the time- statistic: because she will go partying and festivals ONS and date Chad, Pookie , Enrico and Ricky Tan while he...he will feck fat bytches twice per year.
 

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It's important to most men that they can play house and pretend everything is going kumbaja in their house . While we all know that's not how it works.

the worst part to refer to my first paragraph, is the fact men don't talk about their problems. So even if you're "new forced homie" has relationship problems he won't talk about it. While women...they'll spit that shyte without hesitation wether it's about the dead bedroom or your bad behaviour...
Most married men are good at not sharing problems with their male friends, especially their unmarried male friends. They have a better chance of telling a fellow married man that things aren't going well. These men are good at not letting the outside world see their problems because married men have a smaller connection to the outside world.

Men in longer term unmarried relationships do this to a lesser extent. This problem of men isolating from their friends gets worse as a relationship gets worse.

Men in relationships (especially marriages) have a terrible habit of letting women dictate how they spend their time and how often they socialize with other male friends. For men who live with girlfriends and also married men, it's easier to justify seeing other couples because there can be dual couple hangouts.

There's an extreme example of this in my primary social circle. When I want to spend time with one of my male friends now, he has to ask his wife if he can spend time with me. He can't play tennis with me without checking with his wife. It's ridiculous. Now, he's often citing some child related activity like a child's birthday party as a reason why he can't play tennis with me or do some other social activity with me. When he was a childless married man, he was also claiming that he had to check with his wife to socialize with me.

I have told this story to some of our mutual friends who are also married men. The other married men think his behavior is ridiculous. The other married men try to justify his behavior but even they can't do it. If other married men think the behavior is bad, then it must be quite bad.

This particular married man is a man who was able to put up a triple digit notch count before marriage. Once he got deeper into his current relationship, he got more isolated from me. He didn't started pulling the "check with his wife crap" until he was childless married. His crap has gotten worse since his child was born.

As far as my other local area married friends, I notice that they are not very responsive to invitations to socialize in real life. They might be somewhat responsive to text messages (and occasionally phone calls) but not responsive with real life socialization. The ones with children will cite child activities at times too but never text me a "check with the wife" statement or say it out loud, even if they are doing it. I have some other childless married friends, but we don't see each other in person that often. They are able to randomly invite me to social functions. Even with them, I don't propose social functions too much because when I do, it often won't happen.

Since a few of my local acquaintances got married, I started seeing them less often too. It got even worse when those acquaintances had children.

It is more difficult for unattached men or men who have shorter relationships to have consistent male friends with married men or men in more serious unmarried LTRs.
 

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When I think about Houston (an area I do not know as well as Dallas), I would think that audience would be in Katy, Sugar Land, or The Woodlands.
Dang, I thought you would actually know given it is down the road from Dallas:cool:
 

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I thought you would actually know given it is down the road from Dallas:cool:
It's about a 4 hour drive from Downtown Dallas to Downtown Houston if traffic cooperates.

There are Dallas residents who spend time in Houston and Houston residents who spend time in Dallas. When Dallas residents spend time in Houston, it is often due to a business trip or having family/friends in the area. Dallas residents need either a pre-existing Houston connection or a business trip to show up in Houston. Otherwise, there's not much of a reason to go.

I did match up the suburbs of each of those cities well in that comment.
 

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It's about a 4 hour drive from Downtown Dallas to Downtown Houston if traffic cooperates.

There are Dallas residents who spend time in Houston and Houston residents who spend time in Dallas. When Dallas residents spend time in Houston, it is often due to a business trip or having family/friends in the area. Dallas residents need either a pre-existing Houston connection or a business trip to show up in Houston. Otherwise, there's not much of a reason to go.

I did match up the suburbs of each of those cities well in that comment.
I actually live in the city part lol
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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