"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Why you should ALWAYS lie to women
- Thread starter Poon King
- Start date
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
KingBeef
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Poon King said:
I've actually watched both videos carefully in their entirety and I agree mostly with the narrator (lying to women and the role of the "simp")
I think a lot of times people will listen/read the message of what the messenger is saying and because he might sound "bitter or extreme" or you just don't like him, you get turned off and dismiss what the point is. There are "some" members on this forum who quickly dismiss things without "objectively and unbiased" consideration. It would also help to watch the videos in its entirety before giving a response. IMO
Again, I agree 90% with everything but for ME (not everyone) the ALWAYS lying WITH WOMEN is a bit too much. For me, I don't like lying to deceive someone. I try to be a man of character and value. Trust me, I know that most women don't have these traits (they're emotional creatures who just want theirs and character, honor and logic for the most part doesn't apply, they want the attention and the "emotions" behind it) and if I have to I will drop a few little white lies or as some would put it "exaggerations" that will work in my favor.... i.e., whether I'm spinning plates or not (in the beginning that is of no concern to her) Another factor is I'm just not that good a liar to begin with and I hate the maintenance involved with it. She will take me for who I am but if I have to spew extravagant lies just to keep her, then she's out the door. I'm a man with options and so should you.
A few techniques that I did learn through the years to (believe it or not from female friends) is not divulging so much upfront, keep her guessing, deflect her questioning and giving her "indirect answers". I can't tell you how much it has helped my game.
Again, to each their own....
KingBeef
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BrainDamage92
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I may be burning on the inside, but the most they will get is "I like you". Or "I enjoy spending time with\talking to you".
The last time I said "I love you" it all went down in flames so that put things in perspective, you should never confess feelings, especially to the wrong person, I stayed strong for a long time, but then it went down in flames. I would confess my feelings when I pick the mother of my children, but there is alot of time, until then I keep my mouth shut...
I think if you focus more on their lies, and not fixating on lying to her, you will be better.
People say watch what women do not what they say. I call bulll****. LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY and then compare it to what they do. When they tell you something, and then the next day the tell you something that contradicts with it, you get ammo.
I'm talkin high caliber ammo. Couse when you call her on her BS, she understands she cant **** with you, and you get bonus points for paying attention to what she says.
You know what a girl told me recently, like one of the ones I opened up to:
"I wish I had a man that is smarter and more evil than me so I dont have to do all the thinking"
and: "I dont date the people I love as a rule" and stuff like that. This means strong feelings make her unstable (BPD... BPD everywhere yo), and she failed every time she loved, and she dates only because its expected of her. I get them singing like birds, telling me everything I need to know, couse a person who is open about himself becomes instantly trustworthy. See I have love for this girl, we even share a birthday, both are left-handet blah blah blah... but will I confess? No, she is from another city, and this **** dont work as a rule, I know it from experience. So confess feelings? Never. Plenty o fish in the sea feelings come and go. But love is important.
See I can relate and understand her perfectly. But you wouldnt get this much insight into a person if you dont open up yourself.Maybe American females are so bad, you cant even allow yourself to do that, but I doubt it...
Just express yourself man. Anytime you lie, you are only lying to yourself, and **** I got nothing to hide, I got nothing that can be used against me, Im not a criminal, I pay my taxes, I like nice pijamas and nice suits although I cannot afford them yet. I like sweets and stakes. I like overthinking stuff couse I become dangerous when I dont. I like pretty women. I like blues music and play the guitar. I like alcohol. I like the sea. I sometimes talk to myself out loud when I dont pay attention. I like working, but sometimes just lie in bed doing nothing, but if I dont work I feel like Im dissolving. I used to eat my snots when I was little. I once **** myself in kinder garten. Ive cheated on every GF I had. Ive always felt my parents are more infantile then me. So what? See, its not that hard. (kidding about the pijamas) (but pijamas are cool ok?)
And there is now way any female BS can affect me currently, so why lie?
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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Boxer00 said:
You are delusional.There is no difference between truth or lie.It doesnt matter.There is no GOD RULE for truth.Its social construct.As long lie is beneficial and you wont get caught its dumb not to lie to your advantage.The key to power is to be flawless liar.
Not everybody can become great man.Sometimes it takes decades to become that amazing great man so lie to fake great man is actually brilliant.
It doesnt stop your progress to become cool guy - but now - if you are not ... lie lie and lie.
Lie will get you more pvssy,fun,memories and pleasures than greatness ever will.You arent alpha ? Good.At least be brilliant con man.And WHY ?
Because many men - no matter - how hard they bust their a$$ they never ever be alpha.Too poor, too weak, too short, too ugly ... whatever and lie is their only samurai sword.
Sorry man, you've got the delusion. No difference between truth or lie? WTF? Would you rather already be successful not having to lie about it, or be a loser pretending to have the success you will never have living a lie?JohnyTheArrow said:
Lying won't get you any pvssy if you don't have the qualities women want.JohnyTheArrow said:
Poor, weak, short, ugly men won't get hot women so what's to lie about?JohnyTheArrow said:
Do you want them to lie and say they are rich, powerful, tall, and good looking? :crackup:
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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Countering your idiotic "arguments" is simply not being True Forced Loneliness like the whining queen.Poon King said: