Why This Hatred for the Game and Where Does It Come From?

[Maximus Rex]

Ya boy was on another message board and I can across this thread, "PUA Jeffy "Borrows" "Pimp" Game from RoseBudd...," http://upasite.freeforums.org/pua-jeffy-borrows-pimp-game-from-rosebudd-t7799.html Of course I took issue with it because the first question that popped in my mind was, "Where exactly was Jeff wrong in application of Rosebudd's Rules of Pimpin' to Pick Up Theory?" needless to say, I never got an answer to that. Another poster went on to say, "Well PUA's are taking Budd's thoughts and (other than buying his book,) he's not being compensated. Ya boy, is like, WTF? PUA's borrow heavily from a lot of sources, namely psychologists and sociologists, under dude's rationale, every time a PUA incorporates somebody else's thoughts, opinions, or theories into a seminar, he's suppose to either have the dude at the seminar to break down the game personally or issue a check. That was some of the ridiculous nonsense that I ever read in my life.

Then there's the arguments that we've been hearing since the beings of the pickup community. The tactics don't work, the companies are a fraud, and of ubiquitous and incredibly specious comment of "just be yourself," and completely then there are those who will take take bits and pieces of the game, (e.g. Mystery's peacocking style,) and totally take the Game out of context. It seems to me that biggest tractors of The Game seem to miss the fact that biggest components of the game is bettering yourself and gaining self confidence. A guy can learn all the theory and tactics he wants, but if he doesn't better himself and he lacks confidence it will all be to no avail. Needless to say, the detractors seem to miss the fact that The Game that you can't take the game in bits and pieces, but you have to take The Game in it's totality within it's proper context.

Rex has to touch upon a specific issue that pertains only to African Americans, (and please don't close my thread because it's a valid point that needs to be addressed and discussed,) There's this school of thought among African American males that we're innately suppose to be equipped with the skills to not holla at, but bed women. It's a concept that those in African American community (naturals and those who have learned through trial-and-error,) can't seem to grasp their heads around and it's something they can't accept, that many of us, for whatever reason missed or just simply lack the skill set that is required to get, maintain, and increase a woman's interest level.

The cold irony is that instead of being commended and lauded for admitting that we have a problem and we're willing to seek a remedy for it, we're ridiculed, subjected to derision, and scorn. Adding insult to injury, we're told that the remedy we seek is useless despite evidence proving otherwise. For example, on this particular site, dude had nerve enough to tell me this nonsense:

Increase attraction :| You can't do this. If she is already in to you then all you have to do is not ruin it. You CANNOT CREATE ATTRACTION!! http://upasite.freeforums.org/pua-jeffy-borrows-pimp-game-from-rosebudd-t7799-20.html

Dude is right in the respect that you can't create attraction in chick who isn't feeling you, however, he's completely wrong on increasing attraction, the entire game is predicated on increasing attraction. If dude was correct in his rationale, then the next guy with higher social proof, better looks, more money, or the guy who the chick just liked more for whatever reason would be able to knock you for your broad. Also, once in a relationship, a couple's love for one another wouldn't grow, it would just stay stagnate with the very real possibly of dropping.

The insulting part is that if seems that game detractors WANT us to remain the clueless, blue pill swallowing, white knight, feminist, supplicant, beta and sometime omega male manginas that we once were, as if they want to say, "Well you weren't born with the knowledge, then you're just a$$ed out, however, you can go and f*ck fatties, 5's or less, and chicks with personality and mental disorders.

Then again, you have ask yourself, do they (detractors and haters,) secretly fear us? Do women secretly acknowledge that PUA tactics are extraordinarily effective when applied correctly and do male detractors realize that proficient and master PUAs will out game them on any given night? Are male PUA haters uncomfortable knowing that when a PUA is in the room they stand a very good chance of losing their date or girlfriend if the PUA decided to have her? I don't know, what I do know is that I'm very thankful for the community and the game guys have dispensed over the years because without it, I'd still be figuring out a lot of stuff for myself.

 

[JoeMarron]

First of all, I think that when someone mentions game many people think of gimmicky PUA tactics/techniques and are immediately turned off. Sure the PUA community does have some good information but much of it is buried under pure nonsense. Read a sales page for some of these PUA products if you want a good laugh. A lot of "gurus" just want to make a quick buck off a desperate nerd so they promise all types of things while charging outrageous amounts of money. It's hard to take the community seriously when so many of these types are around.

It's also hard for some people to accept what's outside of their reality. "I can't do it so it's impossible." Plus some men always want to latch on to some obvious reason why they're failing with women. "I'm too short, too broke, too ugly, too skinny, too brown, etc." It's hard for one to man up and accept the fact that he just doesn't know how to attract women, something that seems to be a natural ability.

As far as naturals are concerned, most of them don't know why they're good with women besides them being themselves. Hell any man who just stumbled into a relationship was himself the whole time so it makes sense to him to tell other men to just be themselves. The problem is some men are so socially awkward that they NEED guidance on how to interact with women. Being themselves won't work because they're fvcked up from the beginning. Sometimes even self improvement like getting ripped and making bank won't help because he's still socially awkward.

Hah yeah I can definitely see how it would be even more awkward for a black man trying to learn game. Black men are definitely expected to just get it and will most likely be ridiculed by his peers for trying to learn game.

At the end of the day it all comes down to misunderstanding and ignorance. I say fvck them all, I have better things to do than to deal with the ignorant and the foolish. I'm going to continue to improve, give advice to those who want to hear it, and let others do whatever they wish. Plus nobody wants to see you improve regardless of what you're doing in life. A man will catch sh!t for trying to bulk up, for trying to slim down, for trying to better his career, for pretty much anything.

 

[El Payaso]

Women subconsciously know what attracts them to men but they hate to acknowledge that it works. Try explaining to a woman why she fell for a certain man and she will get defensive real fast.

 

[skinnyguy]

1) PUA's tend to pedestalize. They are ALWAYS thinking about women and how to get them.

2) You say that detractors of PUA are "manginas" and "betas". This shows that you're ignorant and don't listen to people with ideas that conflict with your own.

3) If PUA works for you, great. But don't force it on someone else. I think that PUA can only work for a certain type of guy.

4) PUA methods were created for one reason: money. The gurus try to take advantage of weak men, just as pimps and prostitutes do.