"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Why not take advice from women?

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I am aware that many people here say that we shouldn't take advice from girls/women about other girls/women. I do not understand this at all. Now, the reason that everyone says this is because they claim "girls do not kow what they want". Well, if girls do not know what they want, how the hell is a guy suposed to know what a girl wants?

I think it can be very beneficial to take advice from girls. Whenever I am in a relationship with someone, i always talk to my sister about whats happeneing. She is one year older than me, i am 20, she is almost 22. I can honestly say that everything she has told me has basically been spot on. She has been right when she thinks a girl is playing games, or isnt right for me, or has problems etc... When she gives me advice on how to fix a situation, it is very solid. She often gives me good advice on where to take a date, or even how to ask a girl out i have been nervous about asking(not too nervous anymore, but you get the point)

This is because she is a girl and has been in many of these situations before. She knows how MOST girls would react, and what MOST girls want. She doesnt tell me to do anything extreme or over the top, and actually a lot of the advice is similar to whats on here. Also, many close femal friends give great advice to me, and can usually judge a girl much better than any guy that i know can.

Women know women. They know how they think, feel, act, react, etc... I realize some women are irrational and you shouldnt be taking advice from them, but i am talking about the "normal" ones.

So once again, why not take advice from a girl???
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Depends on how you get the advice. Also depends on how well you can get past the answers she is giving to somebody she thinks is pathetic and make her give you real answers that actually work.

If a DJ asked his LTR what his friend should do about girl A is going to be completely different advice form what an AFC would get asking his oneitis.

Pay attention as well to the question.
"I want to be a sexy beast! How do I get sexy?"
"There's this girl I like, how do I get her to like me?"
 

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Some women can give good advice, but most cannot. Some women aren't comfortable with verbalizing the truth (especially to a guy), and some never really analyze "why" they like what they like, all they know is they just do. Ultimately, you're going to get much better advice from guys with experience who know pretty much what works and what doesn't for the majority because every woman isn't exactly the same. Observing the actions and behaviors of women have opened my eyes like never before. It's not so much what they say, but the decisions they make and what you actually SEE them do.
 

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tryin 2 play said:
I am aware that many people here say that we shouldn't take advice from girls/women about other girls/women. I do not understand this at all. Now, the reason that everyone says this is because they claim "girls do not kow what they want". Well, if girls do not know what they want, how the hell is a guy suposed to know what a girl wants?

I think it can be very beneficial to take advice from girls. Whenever I am in a relationship with someone, i always talk to my sister about whats happeneing. She is one year older than me, i am 20, she is almost 22. I can honestly say that everything she has told me has basically been spot on. She has been right when she thinks a girl is playing games, or isnt right for me, or has problems etc... When she gives me advice on how to fix a situation, it is very solid. She often gives me good advice on where to take a date, or even how to ask a girl out i have been nervous about asking(not too nervous anymore, but you get the point)

This is because she is a girl and has been in many of these situations before. She knows how MOST girls would react, and what MOST girls want. She doesnt tell me to do anything extreme or over the top, and actually a lot of the advice is similar to whats on here. Also, many close femal friends give great advice to me, and can usually judge a girl much better than any guy that i know can.

Women know women. They know how they think, feel, act, react, etc... I realize some women are irrational and you shouldnt be taking advice from them, but i am talking about the "normal" ones.

So once again, why not take advice from a girl???
Because I'd rather take advice from that guy who's sleeping with all the women.

Think about it.

The advice between that guy who sleeps with women and that "woman friend" is going to be different.

If you want female advice go to loveshack.org.

If you want a player's advice, stay here.

By the way, all those men who take advice from women from loveshack.org are jokes.

Women are in denial of what they want. A woman can't teach you to be a man.
 

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what i've learned is that you don;t just take advice from female friends that are NICE. You listen to the *****es cuz hell, they know the game. I carpooled to school last year with a married 24 yr old HB8. When she gave me advice, it was on the dot to the advice given here on sosuave. She was a little player. You listen to chicks that keep it real with you, not the ones that give AFC advice.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Rebound Material said:
You listen to chicks that keep it real with you, not the ones that give AFC advice.
Word to your mother.

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LOL. You're funny dude.

You go do that and then come back for some un-brainswashing.
 

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my theory is that some women are scared that you might figure out what they want and try to hide the truth from you so they tell you info like by flowers and all that bs but i'm telling you guys sometimes you can get the best info from your mom because way way before i found this sight she was telling me to just say hi
 

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I made the mistake of telling my brother in law and sister about asf and the mindset of pua's. They said that they didn't think I should follow pua/dj advice and that I should "just be myself". They said that, basically, the stuff manipulated women and wouldn't work in the long term because it wasn't "who I was". Now my sister has done all of this stuff- chased the jerks, made guys buy her drinks and didn't do anything with them, etc. My brother-in-law is a classic AFC who followed my sister around all the time. People have been so brainwashed by society that they think this stuff is "wrong" even though the dj only improves himself. And if just being yourself is so great, why do the naturals pull so much pvssy when the nice guys get little to none?
I think the real reason you have to take the advice of players instead of sister and other guys is because:
1) AFC's don't want to think that their perfect image of women could be tarnished i.e. "women's secret society".
2) Women don't want to think that a man could break through their games and influence their actions so easily.

I think that women know they can't overpower men physically, so they resort to trying to control and manipulate men in other ways where physical size doesn't matter.
Sound right? Maybe I am just rambling?!
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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For whatever reason, women say they like things in a guy when they actually dont. IE, they will say their looking for a nice guy blah blah blah when they actually want the ****y ******* to rail them. Women dont know what they are talking about.
 

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Women dont know what they are talking about.

amen to that!
 

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Why never take advice from women?

1. women don't know what they want most of the time
2. women dont know what they're talking about
3. women are illogical creatures that can't reason very well (they think with the heart and not with their brain most of the time)
 

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I'm responding to the thread title but I take fashion advice from women all the time. Women give the best advice on how you dress in my opinion.

I went on a "date" with a girl to the mall last week and she picked out some shoes for me. I get compliments on those shoes all the time now. She did a great job in the mall, dinner was great and the sex was tha bomb.
 

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For whatever reason, women say they like things in a guy when they actually dont. IE, they will say their looking for a nice guy blah blah blah when they actually want the ****y ******* to rail them. Women dont know what they are talking about.
Yea, I noticed that whenever you ask a girl what aspects she's looking for in a guy, MOST of the time they will describe a total AFC. Nice, Honest, Trustworthy, Gentlemen, etc. What they actually listed is a guy FRIEND and not a ROMANTIC potential. So remember, listen to the b!tches that keep **** real.

"Tell me what I NEED to hear, not what I WANT to hear." - yours trully
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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i can tell u 1 thing : the last time i used an advice from a girl "friend", i was rejected .
for example , i told her that i want to be more successfull with my girlfriend, my friend told me to respect her , to treat her well , to tell her ur real feelings and worries .... , anyways , i guess u know the end :)
for sure , i wont take any more advice from a gilr about a girl.
i use girls advice only for shopping or buying sth.
 

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keoss said:
i can tell u 1 thing : the last time i used an advice from a girl "friend", i was rejected .
Learned that the hard way in high school. I was such a AFC my first year of high school.
 

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There's one thing that in my experience you can always rely on girls for and that is fashion advice. What to wear what cologne is hot what looks sexy. Everything else is a bit dubious because unless she is totaly honest to you (i.e. you are good friends) the advice may not be sincere.

Like I have a good female friend who was telling me basicaly how girls like to be lead and taken when it comes to sex. It totaly coincided with what I've heard from DJs. She said she knows a girl who is the sweatest thing in normal life but when it comes to sex she likes to yell and swear and she is extremely sexual . The moral don't be fooled in to thinking that the "innocent" ones aren't sexualy intrested in you and be tricked in to dumbing down your act. She also told me that the next time I'm making out with a girl I should firmly press her against a wall and run my hands down the side of her body. Stuff like this is great but you will only hear it if the girl you're with is being truthful. Plus a woman will never give you advice on how to treat HER she wants you to just know that.

Edit: an intresting way of looking at it is what david d said somewhere: when a girl says she wants an understanding, listening, kind and caring man then that isn't a lie in itself. The thing that she is leaving out is that she primarily needs to be atracted to the guy. So really she's telling you about her ideal man: he is attractive (in all the different ways) and he's ALSO understanding, listening, kind and caring. She's telling you about the perks not the meat of what she wants.
 

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Good points from all of you. I see where you are coming from. What I was trying to get at is: many of you say that women are illogical, and men are logical, women go on emotions, men how go on thoughts. So, I was thinking that a women would be able to better tell you how to trigger those emotions and feelings. You could get better insights to the illogical workings of their feelings. If men do not think and feel that way, then how could they tuly understand what and how to do someting? And yes of course the girl would have to be brutally honest with you, and it would not be wise to ask the girl you are going after, i am talking about an outside reference.

Anyway I am not saying women's advice is better than men's, the advice here is great, and your reasons make sense. I was just asking the question to see what all you thought about it, because it does SEEM like getting advice from girls about other girls COULD be a good idea.
 

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FaithHealer said:
I think that women know they can't overpower men physically, so they resort to trying to control and manipulate men in other ways where physical size doesn't matter.
Sound right? Maybe I am just rambling?!
And in the end they aren't really competing with us... but with their own nature...
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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