Why Modern Men are Desperate and Thirsty

[adam225]

Excellent thread. I can not rep you again Poon King....

 

[Leif_Johnson]

What you "want to do" and what is "best for you" may not be the same.

Real men do what they want which is best for them.

If you do whatever you want all the time you will shoot yourself in the foot. And NO.. alphas don't do whatever they want 24/7.. they do whatever benefits them 24/7. Eating healthy benefits you... while eating 20 chocolate chip cookies at once might be what you "want to do".

Doing what you want is leading, others will follow your lead. Doing what you want benefits you when it is in your best interest.

Your argument is basically "I feel this way.. therefore.. I should act on it". Very feminine mindset. Self control is alpha. Acting on all your emotions is for women and children (and betas).

Every human emotions, we are not robots. Having feelings or emotions does not make you a beta. Getting turned on by a hot woman is emotions. Kissing her hot body and feeling her kiss mine produces good feelings. That is not beta to have that either. Making a huge sale for work will make you feel good. Those are emotions too. That does not make you a beta. Laughing with your friends over a joke is emotions. That is not beta either. Every man has emotions regardless of what it is. Your concept of that being beta is not true. Cliches are nice to talk in, but that is not how life logically works. I disagree with your thread of that being beta and thirsty. It is not true.

 

[RangerMIke]

Only when they get a certain age. The younger ones don't love sex that much. They love "love".

Who's got time and energy for all this bro? At a certain age just throw some compliments her way and money and she'll sleep with you.

I used to think the same thing.... but recent developments in my life seems to contradict this belief. i am discovering that younger women respond to the same things as older. Women in the 40s 30s and 20s all respond to the same things their motivations and attitudes are different, that is all.

Younger women have an easier time getting sex from men they find attractive... that is the only difference, since they can get sex just about anytime they want it, the abundance mentality naturally means that they take it for granted... but doesn't mean they don't love it.

Think about it for a minute... women can get sex just about any time they want it. So why do they spend so much freaking time trying to look attractive, spending money on clothes shoes makeup et. al. We men don't give a fvck about what kinds of brand name clothes they wear... all we care about is if and when these garments end up balled up on the floor of our bedrooms. So why do they spend so much time looking as good as possible... even the younger ones... they are looking for validation.

Logically, the more attractive a women is the less likely she would be to try and doll herself up, what's the point. A HB8-10 could get laid in a potatoe sack. In fact the exact opposite is true, the hotter the women the more time she spends to look good. How much validation a women expects is directly proportional to how she percieves her level of attractiveness, and believe me women know who is beautiful.

This is why indifference works well with super hot women. They EXPECT you will react in a certain way, when you don't you get inside their heads and they flip out.

 

[sambwoy]

I don't know if this falls into this topic, but I was just thinking today about looking good to get a woman's approval, forget about attraction, and its really bugging me. I am under the impression that looks affect you socially, as well as in the sexual market, because with a lot of women, they seem to care more, whereas many men split the opposite sex into 'doable' and 'not doable'. Is this like when women gush over cute animals more than men?

They seem to hate ugly guys with a red hot passion, and will put them down, purely on a psychological level.

It just seems so hard to cope with not being that attractive but needing women's approval, like I seem to have spent much of my life doing. At one time I had to get counseling, trying to cope with what I couldn't control.

 

[Poon King]

So, ARE you Seymour Cake...or ?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165828641

No.

I'm happy the red pill is being spread though. The more men wise up the better.

That guy is cutting and pasting all my posts.

Real men do what they want which is best for them.

What you want is not always what is best for you. I explained this pretty well. So either you aren't that bright or you're trolling.

Doing what you want is leading, others will follow your lead. Doing what you want benefits you when it is in your best interest.

What you want is not always what is best for you. I explained this pretty well. So either you aren't that bright or you're trolling.

Every human emotions, we are not robots. Having feelings or emotions does not make you a beta. Getting turned on by a hot woman is emotions. Kissing her hot body and feeling her kiss mine produces good feelings. That is not beta to have that either. Making a huge sale for work will make you feel good. Those are emotions too. That does not make you a beta. Laughing with your friends over a joke is emotions. That is not beta either. Every man has emotions regardless of what it is. Your concept of that being beta is not true. Cliches are nice to talk in, but that is not how life logically works. I disagree with your thread of that being beta and thirsty. It is not true.

I never said men don't have emotions. I said that only betas always feel the need to act on those emotions.

I explained this pretty well. So either you aren't that bright or you're trolling.

 

[Octogonal]

Nothing but more keyboard jockeying from the KJ King.

This is why I am so hard on men who want commitment from women sooooo bad. Wanting female commitment cheapens a man and makes himweak. Women need commitment more than men.. so why do men want to give it away so fast?

False KJ claim. Women push for commitment for the men they really want to be with. Committed relationships does NOT make you a weak man or cheapen your value. Any great Alpha has been in a relationship or married at some point in his life. You have no qualifications to be in a relationship, so you continuously knock them in your KJ posts.

Women don’t value male attention because it is too available. Especially in 2015 with social media, dating sites, etc. A woman can get constant male attention and never leave her house now.

Another false KJ claim. Hot women value men that are of value and reject the others who are not worth anything. You don't know anything about women, having value or being an alpha.

Modern women are very unpredictable and lack loyality

Again, this is another false KJ claim. You have no experience with women not knowing what signs they exhibit when they want to fvck you if you think women are unpredictable.

Desperate, pathetic betas who want “commitment” from women so bad they would chop off their foot to get it.

Want a hot women to commit? Impregnate her. Otherwise.. don't worry about it.

You mean a desperate pathetic beta like yourself wanting to knock up a woman to get "commitment"? That is chopping off your foot to get it. Paying child support like a beta for a relationship you desperately want soooo bad. That is what you are doing because you can't get a relationship normally. You said this beta comment in another thread. No alpha would ever do anything like that. You are a desperate thirsty beta.

She won't look hot becoming fat, bloated, and extra b!tchy during her pregnancy. She can leave you anytime she wants. Impregnating her doesn't mean that you will keep her committed to you . Dumbass

beta bucks.

And you will be the beta paying the bucks for 18 years until the kid reaches 18 because you were thirsty and desperate for "commitment".

Another example.. if an athlete has no pressure on him to perform then he has no incentive to work hard. However, if he has too much pressure, then he becomes debilitated. However, give him the correct amount of stress.. and he is in a fine balance.

Totally false. Athletes on poor teams have no pressure to perform and they put up big numbers each year. Athletes have been physically sick before a World Series game or Super Bowl from nerves, but still performed flawlessly during the game.

Getting back to women… you must remember that all you have as a man is your time.

Chasers, beta orbiters, white knights, time wh0res, etc. all have the same mindset: They believe, if they don’t “show up” then another man will. So they work hard to “show up” and prove themselves to the woman. What they don’t realize is they are giving away free commitment and devaluing themselves in the process. Like a woman who offers to f*ck you every 2 hours so that you won’t notice other women who want to f*ck you. This lowers her value.

Giving your time to people that deserve it does NOT make you a beta. That includes women as well. Spending your time fvcking women does NOT make you a beta. That is what you SHOULD be doing with your time.

A girlfriend will not lose value when she fvcks you every 2 hours. She should be doing that for you if she is worth anything as a girlfriend. Do you prefer jerking off instead so you won't fear her losing "value"? Oh wait, I forgot, you say that relationships are beta and NOT natural having a hot girlfriend fvcking you all the time. What a KJ clown you are.

I hate my ex

Looks like you are a beta for showing emotions.

Hate = negative emotions.

True Alphas don't hate anybody for they feel women are inferior to them. Betas hate because women hurt them and the betas are inferior. The woman should hate you if you are an alpha for dumping her. Not you hating her for dumping you. That makes you the BETA.

And you are a hypocrite for having an ex. That means you were in a relationship being a desperate beta like you are calling everybody else here. The truth is that you are not capable of maintaining a relationship, so you continuously knock it on the forum saying women are not loyal with your beta keyboard jockeying.

Queer

Neg repping me calling me a queer is what a beta does. You are acting on your angry beta emotions. A true Alpha wouldn't care. You care because it's the truth and YOU know it.

Time is your capital. So learn to walk away, say no and be rude. This applies to life as a whole.. not just women. Only true alphas understand these rules.

You are not a true alpha that is for sure. Just a KJ beta who needs to impregnate women to get a committed relationship out of her because you can't get one naturally. If that isn't desperate and thirsty I don't know what is. Anybody that takes you seriously as an "Alpha" or a poster of "knowledge" is more of a beta than you are. :crackup:

 

[The411]

Real men do what they want which is best for them.



Doing what you want is leading, others will follow your lead. Doing what you want benefits you when it is in your best interest.



Every human emotions, we are not robots. Having feelings or emotions does not make you a beta. Getting turned on by a hot woman is emotions. Kissing her hot body and feeling her kiss mine produces good feelings. That is not beta to have that either. Making a huge sale for work will make you feel good. Those are emotions too. That does not make you a beta. Laughing with your friends over a joke is emotions. That is not beta either. Every man has emotions regardless of what it is. Your concept of that being beta is not true. Cliches are nice to talk in, but that is not how life logically works. I disagree with your thread of that being beta and thirsty. It is not true.

Problem is you're trying to help diseased minds that don't want to be helped. Narcissists, control freaks with low self esteem, nutjobs etc that just want to constantly complain then deny they're doing it and if anyone points it out they're a "woman" or "beta". It's laughable at best.

Half of those giving "advice" is simply their own self-serving security blanket advice. Crab in a bucket "Advice".

Anyone whom knows many different types of people LOLz at the mental retardation that permeates the pea sized minds on here.

There's very few normal dudes with a grip on reality on these boards which is why most leave the rest to their own delusional devices.

 

[Leif_Johnson]

What you want is not always what is best for you. I explained this pretty well. So either you aren't that bright or you're trolling.

What you want is not always what is best for you. I explained this pretty well. So either you aren't that bright or you're trolling.

I explained this pretty well. So either you aren't that bright or you're trolling.

What have you explained besides talking in cliches?

Smart men will always do what they want which is best for them.

I never said men don't have emotions. I said that only betas always feel the need to act on those emotions.

Every person acts on emotions during their lifetime.

Problem is you're trying to help diseased minds that don't want to be helped. Narcissists, control freaks with low self esteem, nutjobs etc that just want to constantly complain then deny they're doing it and if anyone points it out they're a "woman" or "beta". It's laughable at best.

Half of those giving "advice" is simply their own self-serving security blanket advice. Crab in a bucket "Advice".

Anyone whom knows many different types of people LOLz at the mental retardation that permeates the pea sized minds on here.

There's very few normal dudes with a grip on reality on these boards which is why most leave the rest to their own delusional devices.

You've said it best in this post. Poon King called me both a beta and a woman for pointing out his nonsense. He talks in cliches in every post. Would an alpha spend this much time on the boards hating women? Don't you think he would hook up with them instead not caring about what they do to betas?

 

[Poon King]

What have you explained besides talking in cliches?

Smart men will always do what they want which is best for them.

What you want isn't always best for you... for the 20th time. The cookie example is pretty clear.. at least to smart people.

Every person acts on emotions during their lifetime.

Never said they didn't. But acting on emotions in situations where it screws you is stupid.

You've said it best in this post. Poon King called me both a beta and a woman for pointing out his nonsense. He talks in cliches in every post. Would an alpha spend this much time on the boards hating women? Don't you think he would hook up with them instead not caring about what they do to betas?

Posts like this is why I call you a woman. Sounds like some high school girl gossiping to her girlfriends in the bathroom.

Plus the white knighting.

 

[bulked up bro]

Nothing but more keyboard jockeying from the KJ King.


False KJ claim. Women push for commitment for the men they really want to be with. Committed relationships does NOT make you a weak man or cheapen your value. Any great Alpha has been in a relationship or married at some point in his life. You have no qualifications to be in a relationship, so you continuously knock them in your KJ posts.


Another false KJ claim. Hot women value men that are of value and reject the others who are not worth anything. You don't know anything about women, having value or being an alpha.



Again, this is another false KJ claim. You have no experience with women not knowing what signs they exhibit when they want to fvck you if you think women are unpredictable.




You mean a desperate pathetic beta like yourself wanting to knock up a woman to get "commitment"? That is chopping off your foot to get it. Paying child support like a beta for a relationship you desperately want soooo bad. That is what you are doing because you can't get a relationship normally. You said this beta comment in another thread. No alpha would ever do anything like that. You are a desperate thirsty beta.

She won't look hot becoming fat, bloated, and extra b!tchy during her pregnancy. She can leave you anytime she wants. Impregnating her doesn't mean that you will keep her committed to you . Dumbass




And you will be the beta paying the bucks for 18 years until the kid reaches 18 because you were thirsty and desperate for "commitment".



Totally false. Athletes on poor teams have no pressure to perform and they put up big numbers each year. Athletes have been physically sick before a World Series game or Super Bowl from nerves, but still performed flawlessly during the game.



Giving your time to people that deserve it does NOT make you a beta. That includes women as well. Spending your time fvcking women does NOT make you a beta. That is what you SHOULD be doing with your time.

A girlfriend will not lose value when she fvcks you every 2 hours. She should be doing that for you if she is worth anything as a girlfriend. Do you prefer jerking off instead so you won't fear her losing "value"? Oh wait, I forgot, you say that relationships are beta and NOT natural having a hot girlfriend fvcking you all the time. What a KJ clown you are.




Looks like you are a beta for showing emotions.

Hate = negative emotions.

True Alphas don't hate anybody for they feel women are inferior to them. Betas hate because women hurt them and the betas are inferior. The woman should hate you if you are an alpha for dumping her. Not you hating her for dumping you. That makes you the BETA.

And you are a hypocrite for having an ex. That means you were in a relationship being a desperate beta like you are calling everybody else here. The truth is that you are not capable of maintaining a relationship, so you continuously knock it on the forum saying women are not loyal with your beta keyboard jockeying.



Neg repping me calling me a queer is what a beta does. You are acting on your angry beta emotions. A true Alpha wouldn't care. You care because it's the truth and YOU know it.



You are not a true alpha that is for sure. Just a KJ beta who needs to impregnate women to get a committed relationship out of her because you can't get one naturally. If that isn't desperate and thirsty I don't know what is. Anybody that takes you seriously as an "Alpha" or a poster of "knowledge" is more of a beta than you are. :crackup:

LMFAO

 

[nismo-4]

Great post once again! Though I do need to give my input on some things here.

Women are the gate keepers of sex, but men are the gate keepers of commitment and attention (time). This is why I am so hard on men who want commitment from women sooooo bad. Wanting female commitment cheapens a man and makes him weak. Women need commitment more than men.. so why do men want to give it away so fast?

Here's the rub. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, no doubt there. But men, without attitude and tangible clout, they aren't gatekeepers of anything. A man's relationship card is USELESS. Well, not completely useless because if the woman chooses you, then you have power. Hopefully you had sex first. Men have power when the woman has sex with them. You can't NEXT a woman you haven't f**ked. That's just her NEXTing you because you won't be an orbiter or she got a better deal. Or you just moving on. Your rejection of a woman only hurts her if she has interest in you. Otherwise, it just makes her decision to move on (which happened a long time ago) that much smoother.

Women don’t value male attention because it is too available. Especially in 2015 with social media, dating sites, etc. A woman can get constant male attention and never leave her house now.

For a woman to win, she just needs a man's attention and the fact that he desires her. For a man to win, sex must happen. So what happens? Women drive up the price of sex so high and men have to do so much more to get it. Hence why so many women are attention wh0res. Well, that's part of the reason. If more men would call the woman's bluff more (ask her out) and use the ONE STRIKE rule. Don't waste time with an uninterested chick.

Getting back to women… you must remember that all you have as a man is your time. Therefore, the worst thing you can do is be a time wh0re (as most betas are).. giving your time to women for free. Women are very aware of how much attention they get and from who. They will take notice when one man gives them less than her other groveling orbiters.

True. But, women desire attention from alphas. When a beta gives time and attention, she'll take it and not give (outside of IHAB or LJBF) back. Not being a beta orbiter is only half the battle. This will either get the woman chasing you, or going ghost because you won't be some emotional tampon or girlfriend. Win-Win! You have eliminated an attention wh0re or at least, showed you have limits and standards. Will she get wet? That answer is closer to yes if she's interested.

Chasers, beta orbiters, white knights, time wh0res, etc. all have the same mindset: They believe, if they don’t “show up” then another man will. So they work hard to “show up” and prove themselves to the woman. What they don’t realize is they are giving away free commitment and devaluing themselves in the process. Like a woman who offers to f*ck you every 2 hours so that you won’t notice other women who want to f*ck you. This lowers her value.

If you make yourself unavailable, you can be replaced and not know it. But if she has interest, she'll come around. Keep showing up, your value will just gradually drop! Alpha fux, beta bux!

A woman’s power comes from how she controls access to her body. A man’s power comes from how he controls access to his time/attention. If a man is willing to give ANYONE his time… what does that say about his time, his abundance, his ability to attract? In the same way.. if a woman gives any man her pvssy.. what does that say about her value?

How would it look if Kate Upton and Katy Perry just let anybody in? Not good for them, or any woman for that matter! Supply and demand. Like I said earlier, a woman knows she's giving up her power when she lets a man have her pu$$y. A man has power when he has alpha attitude and the tangible clout to match. Attitude alone can help SOME, but it beats being a beta orbiter. Ever since I used alpha jerk attitude, I get less LJBF offers and flakes (those that do flake get dropped from every platform) and when a do get a date, the end is either:

1. She stops communicating because I showed her that I won't accept just being friends (refuse to be an orbiter). Sex first, relationship and friendship second, if ever.

2. We have sex.

Hey, #1 happens more, but what's better? Being nice and end up in the friendzone to get used, or being a jerk and having the woman cut contact where I won't get used? The choice is clear.

The only way a man succeeds in this world is by having the ability to control his time.. not just give it to anything or anyone.

Time is your capital. So learn to walk away, say no and be rude. This applies to life as a whole.. not just women. Only true alphas understand these rules.

Everyone should understand the part about being rude and saying no. It brings out the desire more than being just nice. I'm not saying do what Ray Rice did to his wife or Chris Brown to Rihanna. Don't bow down and worship a woman just because she has a pu$$y.

Read between the lines. Beta white knights and orbiters should take all this in!

 

[Poon King]

Great post once again! Though I do need to give my input on some things here.

Read between the lines. Beta white knights and orbiters should take all this in!

Here's the rub. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, no doubt there. But men, without attitude and tangible clout, they aren't gatekeepers of anything. A man's relationship card is USELESS.

Not as USELESS as a woman's. Take away the sex and what do they offer exactly? :crackup:

Men are far more useful in relationships than women. This is why women have orbiters and men don't. Women are useful to children. Men are useful to women.

So I would disagree somewhat.

if the woman chooses you, then you have power. Hopefully you had sex first. Men have power when the woman has sex with them. You can't NEXT a woman you haven't f**ked. That's just her NEXTing you because you won't be an orbiter or she got a better deal. Or you just moving on. Your rejection of a woman only hurts her if she has interest in you. Otherwise, it just makes her decision to move on (which happened a long time ago) that much smoother.

This viewpoint somewhat elevates the woman as "higher value" than the man by default. Which isn't true.

Men have MADE themselves lower value by offering their time, affection, commitment and love to women FOR FREE.

These things are not more "valuable" when they come from a woman. They only seem that way because women are stingy about who they devote themselves too.. thus making something as small as a smile or a peck on the cheek a "big deal" when coming from a woman. But it is NOT a big deal. Neither are naked boobs or being inside a woman's twaht.

Men offer penis like the guy on the corner handing out flyers. Anyone can have it.. so the value drops. Women are picky.. so that increases the value of their flesh. Not "anyone" can have it.

Most women walk around and assume they can sleep with 99% of the men that pass them on the sidewalk. Even the ugly women. Ever notice the reaction when you reject a woman sexually? It f*cks their hampster up. They ask you if you're gay. They can't even fathom the idea of a man not wanting sex from them.

The high number of desperate betas paints an overall picture of men as "easy" and "cheap" (low value).