Why Men Pull Away & How to Deal With It as a High Value Woman

[sazc]

So let me get this straight...he's rando d!ck if you were to do it but not rando d!ck if he escalates? How does that make any logical sense?

No, that was actually my initial complaint.

he's not actually trying to get to know me on a day-to-day basis, he's just setting up dates and going silent until the date, and I'm pretty sure on this next date, which will be our third he is going to try and escalate. But he still essentially a stranger and I like to feel some sort of connection with the people that I even get lightly physical with

 

[IKO69]

Do whatever the **** you want. It's your life.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Do you see a large percentage of them are turds in candy wrappers? I love how you realize this "uglier" one that's better in bed and smarter is much healthier for you. Probably healthy as **** for your mind.

The problem with going with the ugly one is that, I have always felt, over the years, that if I have sex with a young hot one, then I myself LOOK better in the face having been "Connected" to her soul-to-soul and mouth-to-mouth and d!ck-to-vagina, even heart-to-heart. If I "pair" with an Ugly or fat girl, I get this uncanny FEELING that I am Becoming More like this fat or ugly girl. You pair-bond and that person Physically as well as Mentally becomes apart of You, at least temporarily, maybe a week or two, maybe even a month after having fvcked her. I think beautiful girls (fvcking them) can in turn make You more beautiful/youthful (like a vampire), a fountain of youth so-to-speak. I've always believed this since a few lays after losing my virginity long ago. I'd feel it, I'd sense it, that others' responses to me as being "better looking" came more when I'd just fvcked a hot girl as opposed to a 3 or a 4. I think you get altered by the person you fvck, especially if you fvck her multiple times. It can bring you down and make you less attractive to others, I think. Could be wrong. You can't just be your own person when you share yourself most intimately with another female. You kinda give up a part of yourself and take on Her traits (in looks And personality). It's strange and it's weird. I'll fvck a girl and then meet another girl kinda like this girl I just fvcked and this new girl is Really attracted to me because I'm still "in the body" of the girl who's just like her so it's as if this new girl and me have already been fvcking, so she's heightened attracted to me upon 1st meeting. So weird, but I think it's Real.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The problem with going with the ugly one is that, I have always felt, over the years, that if I have sex with a young hot one, then I myself LOOK better in the face having been "Connected" to her soul-to-soul and mouth-to-mouth and d!ck-to-vagina, even heart-to-heart. If I "pair" with an Ugly or fat girl, I get this uncanny FEELING that I am Becoming More like this fat or ugly girl. You pair-bond and that person Physically as well as Mentally becomes apart of You, at least temporarily, maybe a week or two, maybe even a month after having fvcked her. I think beautiful girls (fvcking them) can in turn make You more beautiful/youthful (like a vampire), a fountain of youth so-to-speak. I've always believed this since a few lays after losing my virginity long ago. I'd feel it, I'd sense it, that others' responses to me as being "better looking" came more when I'd just fvcked a hot girl as opposed to a 3 or a 4. I think you get altered by the person you fvck, especially if you fvck her multiple times. It can bring you down and make you less attractive to others, I think. Could be wrong. You can't just be your own person when you share yourself most intimately with another female. You kinda give up a part of yourself and take on Her traits (in looks And personality). It's strange and it's weird. I'll fvck a girl and then meet another girl kinda like this girl I just fvcked and this new girl is Really attracted to me because I'm still "in the body" of the girl who's just like her so it's as if this new girl and me have already been fvcking, so she's heightened attracted to me upon 1st meeting. So weird, but I think it's Real.

You got it backwards. The reason guys complain about hot chicks is because they are adept vampires. Most of the guys they fvck with they drink blood. They issue pain, damage and loss. This is what the games are about. On a uglier chick you'll be the vampire feeding. All I ask is you give them a decent sex experience.

 

[Magotrox]

Too much talk. The truth is that woman will select the higher value man she can. You are not attracting her? Take a good look at the mirror with both feet on the ground. Problably you have a lot of work to do. And this is a good new. Anyway, if she is not attracted, is futile do chase her: it will just make your value go lower and lower. The solution, in the short time, is go for the next. However, in the medium/long term, you must work to make your own value higher. A high value man is a magnet for woman. Turn yourself into the higher value man you can, and see what will happen. The solution is stop to complain about everything and work hard to get what you really want in life (woman will just be attracted automaticaly). This is easier to be said than done. Don't be naive. Put your hands on and make the change you want happen day by day. (UNITE DAY AND DREAM - POOK).

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Too much talk. The truth is that woman will select the higher value man she can. You are not attracting her? Take a good look at the mirror with both feet on the ground. Problably you have a lot of work to do. And this is a good new. Anyway, if she is not attracted, is futile do chase her: it will just make your value go lower and lower. The solution, in the short time, is go for the next. However, in the medium/long term, you must work to make your own value higher. A high value man is a magnet for woman. Turn yourself into the higher value man you can, and see what will happen. The solution is stop to complain about everything and work hard to get what you really want in life (woman will just be attracted automaticaly). This is easier to be said than done. Don't be naive. Put your hands on and make the change you want happen dar by day.

Here one thing though. Take a group of 100 women and what represent high sexual market place value will be different depending upon the lady. One guy won't hit them all even if he's a celebrity.

 

[AJ84]

Mainly because men hold women to a higher standard. Women shouldn’t be cheating and sleeping with multiple partners. We have been fed this bs fantasy through our entire lives about how women are suppose to be caring, compassionate, motherly and so innocent. They shouldn’t have multiple partners. So when they turn into a *****, you have a hard time accepting it. It’s going against everything you have been taught. Hence, the reason why it’s frowned upon even by other women.
Men, on the other hand have always been labeled as dogs so when he does something like cheating, it isn’t that serious. Most girls have been taught to never trust men.

Todays woman has the “can’t beat them, join them” attitude. If he is a *****, I’m going to be a ***** as well. This will show him. Instead of increasing their value they are lowering it.

Yes men are seen as more likely to mess around and just want sex but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to use and toss women aside. Why should that ever be acceptable like, “oh he’s a guy so...”. It should not be acceptable for women to use and toss men either.

Sh*t like that contributes to women not trusting men and men not trusting women.
If guys are going to use women and throw them away don’t complain when they don’t want to devote themselves to him unconditionally.
And some men are pulling back and guarding their hearts based on past experiences and some women are too. So it’s the who can be the most indifferent and not care game.
This is what happens when people have the mentality of who will draw their gun first. It’s understandable why people may feel that way but if they aren’t giving much they can’t expect to get much either and that seems to be where the insight is lacking. So it’s funny when guys or girls who constantly use people complain when someone isn’t committing to them in some way. Duh.

And it can be confusing to women know what the right move is: guys complain that she’s not putting out on date two or three and is advised to dump her. Guy wonders if she is gf material because she put out right away and is advised to demote her to plate status.

What do guys expect? She’s damned if she sleeps with him right away because she’s a sl+t not worthy of a relationship and she’s damned if she doesn’t put out right a way because she’s not a sl*t giving him sex at that time that he wants it?
Maybe this is why some girls are flakey. They don’t know what the f**k to do lol.

 

[AttackFormation]

And it can be confusing to women know what the right move is: guys complain that she’s not putting out on date two or three and is advised to dump her. Guy wonders if she is gf material because she put out right away and is advised to demote her to plate status.

What do guys expect? She’s damned if she sleeps with him right away because she’s a sl+t not worthy of a relationship and she’s damned if she doesn’t put out right a way because she’s not a sl*t giving him sex at that time that he wants it?
Maybe this is why some girls are flakey. They don’t know what the f**k to do lol.

Guys who disqualify girls for sleeping with them too quickly in of itself are blue pilled, or just dumb. They think a girl's pace of sleeping with him reflects her "quality", when it really reflects how aroused she feels with you in combination with how she thinks you'll judge her positively (wow, she made me wait - she's quality!) or negatively (she's a slvt!). In other words how quickly she'll sleep with you is a combination of how aroused she feels with you and how blue pilled you are. Nothing to do with her character quality.

 

[Alvafe]

Guys who disqualify girls for sleeping with them too quickly in of itself are blue pilled, or just dumb. They think a girl's pace of sleeping with him reflects her "quality", when it really reflects how aroused she feels with you in combination with how she thinks you'll judge her positively (wow, she's quality!) or negatively (omg, she's a slvt!). In other words how quickly she'll sleep with you is a combination of how aroused she feels with you and how blue pilled you are. Nothing to do with quality which is mental health, hygiene, ethics.

yes we do know better, but also we do know the woman tend to hold back when she feel like he is a good catch, now if the good catch can also make her feel afraid of losing him if she hold back, with is not what most guys do, even if they are dating around they will lie saying they don't, the whole dynamic of dating was about who could lie better

 

[sazc]

It's really only complicated if you're a fake and inauthentic woman tbh

Agreed.
Even as a female you need to have your standards and stick to them. It may not always be comfortable, realizing that you lost his interest because you wouldn't put out on date #3, and then feeling undesired or not valued, but it's always better to be exactly who you are, rather than try to be what you think the other person wants

 

[AJ84]

Agreed.
Even as a female you need to have your standards and stick to them. It may not always be comfortable, realizing that you lost his interest because you wouldn't put out on date #3, and then feeling undesired or not valued, but it's always better to be exactly who you are, rather than try to be what you think the other person wants

Yes. Better to be true to who you are rather than what someone else wants you to be.

 

[AJ84]

It's really only complicated if you're a fake and inauthentic woman tbh

That’s a good point yes.

 

[AttackFormation]

Agreed.
Even as a female you need to have your standards and stick to them. It may not always be comfortable, realizing that you lost his interest because you wouldn't put out on date #3, and then feeling undesired or not valued, but it's always better to be exactly who you are, rather than try to be what you think the other person wants

If not having sex before some time was "who she is" and she had lived true to it, I wouldn't have a problem with that. The problem is - how do you know that's who she is and not just what she tries to fool you with? you can't know. So you have to understand that as a man, being on the safe side means assuming that she actually does "usually do this" - with guys who turn her on.

 

[Poonani Maker]

All I ask is you give them a decent sex experience.

Oh I do. Probably more than the cold fish or less GIVING good-looking gal. The ugly ones aren't used to having a guy with my physique and looks. If my habits/eating and reading and no masturbation and regular sex...are good, then I'm going to be VERY good-looking to most females. I'm experiencing quite attention from many women this past month of August and now in the month of September. My mind and body are Very fluid right now. I am able to be more animated and coordinated and LIVING now. I'm a very alive energetic crackling being atm. It's shunting ALL porn and mb and getting regular sex, eating healthy and reading books (feeding my mind with common dialogue/angles of speech/intelligence). The moment I jackoff (been almost 2 months) I may lose a little of what I have now, but do it twice or three times and all is lost.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I've pulled away from a recent flame and she's now upset. Fvck, I can't stay with her all morning long after being up all night. I have to, you know, Work at a real job. She acts as if money grows on trees.

I was eye ****ed by an old flame.

Aloof, nonchalant, indifference, etc is game. I never sleep over. I don't compromise. I am not playing house.

Its a **** test. The presumption for smashing is staying over or she might get mad. Troll harder bud.

Tell her she needs to step up her kitchen game. Sandwiches ftw

 

[HankHill]

Holy crap! see what dating has turned into? It's like the modern version of Sun Tzu's Art of War! how to one up the other. So sad.

Men are being taught to:

1. Take women out on dates and absolutely no chit chat over text/phone in between.
2. Let her do most of the talking and be mysterious
3. No emotional BS talk
4. Escalate from date #1, if she won't fvck by date #3 drop her and move on
5. Spin plates

While most women are thinking direct bullet-point opposite of the above:

1. He's just setting dates but not willing to get to know me in between dates. He's not pursuing me. He has low interest.
2. He's boring, can't hold a conversation...I have to do all the talking. He doesn't say much, he doesn't have much going on in his life
3. This guy is emotionally unavailable/distant. He's just another guy looking to add notches
4. He thinks he can just come on strong without showing any value why he's any different than the other 2 dozen guys blowing up my phone
5. He's in this for the sport not a real meaningful relationship

This is not just from this thread but also from what I've heard from women I've gone out on dates with recently about how the guys are behaving out there and they're sick of it.

I'm sure the player types are 'killing it' out there and they can certainly find women who are looking for fun just like them but the ones I tend to gravitate towards are not DTF from the get-go. They've all needed some time to build some trust/connection before that. So take what you read on the Internet (or even in the so called self-help books) with a grain of salt.

 

[R.U.G.]

Hold onto her hips

Nah, you pull her back and grab her throat from the front; lightly. It drives them insane. Try it, just use caution not to cause her pain. Sex is fun, pain isn't. Grabbing her hips is boring and played out. Be different.