Why many men are refusing to get married.

[El Payaso]

This article brings up a lot of good points: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/05/01/why-men-wont-marry.html

What do you think?

 

[Between_The_Lines]

"I want to spend the rest of my life with you, but not without the assurance that I can slash your wallet in half and take my cut in case things don't work out because I love you with all my heart..."

In related news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTneDwc9qX4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUXn5_8wsPk

Great article, btw

 

[PeasantPlayer]

A lot of my friends are biting the dust and getting married having kids.....damn all I want is kids leave me out of the marriage part. One day I will meet a woman with the same mindset

 

[corrector]

Well, I got married and divorced and this article is right. In my case, my ex-wife initiated the divorce (i.e. not the actual legal proceedings, but the spirit of it).
I can tell you as a girlfriend, she was perfect. As a wife, all of that got wiped out and it was a nightmare. All of a sudden she became too materialistic, found out I had nothing and she was gone.

My divorce proceedings was very simple. I have nothing, she couldn't get anything and all I did was mail over some documents, make a few visits to the court to have it done. No big deal really.

 

[RangerMIke]

Funny. The only men that want to get married now-a-days are gay men.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

A lot of men I know want to get married.

 

[GS750]

I've been lucky in a way, in that I have two close cousins who are about 10 years older than me. They are brothers. Both of them are good looking dudes with good jobs, over 6', in shape, and overall good guys. Both of them have been married and divorced, one of them twice. Both of them married women who had kids from previous marriages. Both have told me that when they were dating these women they were kind, affectionate, easygoing, etc. Once they married all of a sudden she had to have a new house, new furniture, new car, etc. She expected her kids to be treated like they were his own. Sex dried up. She gained weight. Became b*tchy. One needed to be on anti depressants. One revealed she was bipolar. My grandmother asked me before she died if I ever thought I'd get married one day. I told her not likely. Not after what I've witnessed.

 

[skinnyguy]

Virtually every guy in the Midwest gets married. The ones who don't are outcasts.

In fact most of them have kids by the age of 25.

 

[Peña]

Article is just one person's opinion trying to make marriage into a negative assuming the worst. Very weak thinking. Author does not tell you that most people wait until they are older to get married. More posters will pile on hating on marriage using a hypohetical loss as a tool not to get married. Marriage is normal and normal people all marry.

Virtually every guy in the Midwest gets married. The ones who don't are outcasts.

In fact most of them have kids by the age of 25.

Very true about that. Lots get married at 21 or 22 and the ones who don't are fat or looked at like something is wrong with them. They are not all getting divorced like they lie and try to say. Divorce rate is low and not no 50% like they claim.

 

[thatfeel]

More posters will pile on hating on marriage using a hypohetical loss as a tool not to get married. Marriage is normal and normal people all marry.

I know this may come as a shock to you but in the 21st century you are being socially conditioned to believe marriage is "normal". Marriage was a tool in the dark ages used to keep the family unit together to ensure survival and more offspring to extend a bloodline or lineage.

Beyond those reasons marriage is mostly a pointless venture unless you really, really, REALLY want to raise kids with a woman for 18 years with the possible prospect of her leaving you and taking a lot of your wealth. We are already vastly overpopulated, we don't need more kids, humanity is not on the brink of Darwinian extinction(meaning we're no longer cave dwellers that need to reproduce as our sole means of survival).

Also, you're poisoning the well by claiming users will "claim hypothetical loss" as an invalid reason for avoiding/disliking marriage and thus making an invalid argument. It's purely objective as well as rational to consider the outcomes of any decision making process to determine if any given course of action is deemed practical or constructive.

 

[Peña]

I know this may come as a shock to you but in the 21st century you are being socially conditioned to believe marriage is "normal". Marriage was a tool in the dark ages used to keep the family unit together to ensure survival and more offspring to extend a bloodline or lineage.

Beyond those reasons marriage is mostly a pointless venture unless you really, really, REALLY want to raise kids with a woman for 18 years with the possible prospect of her leaving you and taking a lot of your wealth. We are already vastly overpopulated, we don't need more kids, humanity is not on the brink of Darwinian extinction(meaning we're no longer cave dwellers that need to reproduce as our sole means of survival).

Also, you're poisoning the well by claiming users will "claim hypothetical loss" as an invalid reason for avoiding/disliking marriage and thus making an invalid argument. It's purely objective as well as rational to consider the outcomes of any decision making process to determine if any given course of action is deemed practical or constructive.

It is not socially conditioned when men for centuries married and created familes for generations providing and protecting his family. If your family line never married and produced you would not exist right now and most people would not exist either. Our human race would be extinct with only bastards living in society to soon die off with no one to replace them.

All you guys are the same using a fake fearing hypothetical loss as your reason not to get married. I can not get married because she will change and leave me. 18 years of raising kids she will leave me. She will divorce me and take all my money. I will not be happy if I get married. Only excuses fearing the worst when it may not ever happen. A terrible way to think being afraid based on nothing true.

You are poisioning the well with your hypothetical loss of negativity with marriage. You need the negativity and lies to fit your fictional narrative of marriage being bad. Without the negativity of marriage it will not be bad and you will not have nothing use against it.

Your hypotheticals can be used for anything. I can not drive my car I might get hit by another car. I can not go to the store I might get germs. I can not get a job because I might get fired. I can not get married I might get divorced and lose my money. Hypotheticals can be used for anything. If everybody used negative hypotheticals we all would sit in bed with the covers over our heads fearing the worst. Projecting outcomes does not work when that outcome may never happen. All your fear is based on hypotheticals not reality. Why don't you focus on all the strong marriages instead of the divorces? That would ruin your negative fictional narrative of marriage.

 

[Between_The_Lines]

It is not socially conditioned when men for centuries married and created familes for generations providing and protecting his family. If your family line never married and produced you would not exist right now and most people would not exist either. Our human race would be extinct with only bastards living in society to soon die off with no one to replace them.

Should we all be striving to produce a minimum of 15 children too because we, what, owe it to our "family line"? Because that's what "our human race" needed to do THEN (and not NOW) in order to maximize the odds of its survival???

Try again without grasping for straws.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

I know this may come as a shock to you but in the 21st century you are being socially conditioned to believe marriage is "normal". Marriage was a tool in the dark ages used to keep the family unit together to ensure survival and more offspring to extend a bloodline or lineage.

Beyond those reasons marriage is mostly a pointless venture unless you really, really, REALLY want to raise kids with a woman for 18 years with the possible prospect of her leaving you and taking a lot of your wealth. We are already vastly overpopulated, we don't need more kids, humanity is not on the brink of Darwinian extinction(meaning we're no longer cave dwellers that need to reproduce as our sole means of survival).

Also, you're poisoning the well by claiming users will "claim hypothetical loss" as an invalid reason for avoiding/disliking marriage and thus making an invalid argument. It's purely objective as well as rational to consider the outcomes of any decision making process to determine if any given course of action is deemed practical or constructive.

It's not pointless at all. After graduation, if me and my gf married than we would have a almost a combined income of 100k per year. That's pretty well for people under 26. Marriage is wonderful if you marry the RIGHT PERSON!!!

Once again, yall redpillers are falling for the same typical pity bull****. You do not know the whole story for these divorced guys or the guy that gets cheated on. The case they present to us or the internet is biased and filtered to evoke pity on their side. They aren't going to tell you that they met their wife in a promiscuous club or that they were treating their wife like **** during the whole relationship. All that bad stuff against them is left out while any minuscule crumb against the woman will be presented to us.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

Should we all be striving to produce a minimum of 15 children too because we, what, owe it to our "family line"? Because that's what "our human race" needed to do THEN (and not NOW) in order to maximize the odds of its survival???

Try again without grasping for straws.

No, but there's no invisible force that makes me want to get married and have kids. I'm not really a fan of having kids until I am financially successful, but I would prefer marriage over wasting my time with pointless relationships.

 

[Between_The_Lines]

No, but theirs no invisible force that makes me want to get married and have kids. I'm not really a fan of having kids until I am financially successful, but I would prefer marriage over wasting my time with pointless relationships.

False dichotomy - you can choose to stay together without getting married. Being with someone without being married does not equate "pointlessness". Not sure what an "invisible force" has to do with any of this though.

 

[Peña]

Should we all be striving to produce a minimum of 15 children too because we, what, owe it to our "family line"? Because that's what "our human race" needed to do THEN (and not NOW) in order to maximize the odds of its survival???

Try again without grasping for straws.

Now you use negative sarcasm trying to tear down what I wrote. If you do not want to get married and reproduce to continue your family generation that is your business and you are free to live the life you live. MGTOWs and people like you have a mission to destroy marriage with your negativity wanting others to follow you because you hate marriage. That is what I'm against your negativity based on hypotheticals to attack the fundation of marriage that is the pillar of our society. Fringe groups like you are trying to turn society upside down with your beliefs wanting society to be how you want. Atheists, gays, feminists, MGTOWs all fringe groups trying to dictate to the rest of us how you want it to be.

 

[skinnyguy]

Different things make different people happy. Personally I do not want to lust over women or go to bars. I'd rather build something with a high quality woman who cares about me as an individual. I don't want to be 50 and single.

Chasing after sl*ts gets old. It is also a very depressing cycle.

 

[Trump]

The article is one sided. There may be no good reason for men to get married today (thank you feminism), but it doesn't look at the benefits either.

Yes the court will rape you, state and government will be on her side, she will nag you to death, she will bvtch and be materialistic, but you can always protect yourself (prenup, trust funds, etc.)

To get married because society expects you to is stupid. To do it because you want to do it is fine, as long as you are always looking for yourself.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

The article is one sided. There may be no good reason for men to get married today (thank you feminism), but it doesn't look at the benefits either.

Yes the court will rape you, state and government will be on her side, she will nag you to death, she will bvtch and be materialistic, but you can always protect yourself (prenup, trust funds, etc.)

To get married because society expects you to is stupid. To do it because you want to do it is fine, as long as you are always looking for yourself.

Guess what? When my parents divorced, my mom had to pay my dad child support and he made the most money. You never hear those stories though lol.

 

[Peña]

We have guys who claim misandry when there is none. We have guys who want act like a feminist playing a victim. We have guys who fear losing all their money in marriage. We have guys who attack the foundation of marriage wanting others to join them. We have guys who never been married assuming they will be divorced because others have. We have guys who fear a risk when none is there. Is that anyway to live a life on fear? If these guys are so happy with their life why do they need to attack others who want to live like a normal society does in a real marriage? If you do not like marriage do not get married. Why talk negative of it when you never tried it assuming risk? That is stupid.

The article is one sided. There may be no good reason for men to get married today (thank you feminism), but it doesn't look at the benefits either.

The article is supposed to be one sided to attack the foundation of marriage. If they add any benefits or talk about successful marriages that destroys their fictional narrative of marriage being bad. MGTOWs need the negativity to claim they are right and this article gives them just that to attack marriage even with no facts. All they need is a risk or a doubt of marriage and they use that for their fictional narrative of marriage being bad.