Why looks are irrelevant

[Obey Propaganda]

I think everyone would agree the biggest debate on this forum is the looks/personality topic. And somewhere in the discussion someone lists all the things you can do to increase your looks. And that's great, but it doesn't get to the root of the problem. It's deeper than that. Most people have a phobia of women on this forum. If there was a way we could transform one of you into a "great-looking guy" for a week, I bet money that they wouldn't get a woman in bed. MONEY. They would still have no idea what to say or where to take her on a date, or even how to approach her to begin with. I mean think about it. There's a hot chick walking by you at the mall. What would you do? Nothing. They'd come back to this forum and ask for the answers. Just like before. I hate to say it, but I'm guessing the majority of people here are either social outcasts or have Bipolar Disorder. It's the honest truth.

There's so much talk of trying to be a ****y badass and "neg hitting", but again... it isn't the problem. Your mindset and personality is the problem. You really have no idea about women at all, or even life in general. You sit at your computer and listen to so-called "gurus" with their force-fed advice. But their advice sounds so good you say. Of course it does! They're making money off it. They're writing books, making DVDs. Their outlandish advice is what sells their product. Where they really make their money is what they tell you not to do. It's like infomericals. It all sounds great, but it's not realistic, and doesn't work. Take for example, opening the door for a woman. Most "gurus" think this is a major AFC behavior. I got news for you, it isn't. Here's why - The criteria of opening a door for a woman is usually that you're on a date. Keep in mind most of you don't even get that far. The woman you're on a date with is interested in you, therefore isn't AFC at all. What's AFC is allowing her to foot the bill. I know, I should be shot right between the eyes for saying that, right? The reason you don't want to pay the bill isn't because you think it's AFC behavior, it's because the GURUS told you it was. They tell you if you pay you'll be a pushover and she will think you're a panzy, etc. Think about it. Do you realize how ridiculous that is? It's borderline brainwashing. It shows more confidence grabbing the check and pulling out your wallet, then sitting there like a tard hoping she does. There's no need to make things that difficult and fill peoples head with nonsense. It's detrimental and isn't going to help you. There are other things you could be working on... like your conversational skills with women, or how you carry yourself.

Ultimately... until you guys start thinking for yourselves, you aren't going to see any progress.

Deuces

 

[SinJester]

Some truth to it although don't you think this is a bit ambitious for your first post? Hardly anything to do with looks.

When the 'gurus' tell you to not pay for a date they don't mean taking her out to dinner then hoping she pays, they mean not taking her out to dinner at all.

There are other things you could be working on... like your conversational skills with women, or how you carry yourself.

Isn't that exactly what a lot of gurus focus on teaching? MM aside.

Although ultimately the message you are trying to get accross is valid. Think for yourself, but more than that, actually go out. Thing is, how do we know your actually getting any more success than anyone else here and this is your own theory?

 

[ketostix]

Your error is you assume everyone here is a virgin, and a social outcast, etc. Some of us, many of us have done it all from A to Z. Went to college, gotten married, had GFs, let alone gotten laid. And we've tried everything out for ourselves. I'm no fan of gurus, but you assume everyone here is an ignorant fool that can't discern good advice from bad. Btw, looks and appearance do matter. It changes the whole dynamic.

 

[Obey Propaganda]

Hardly anything to do with looks.

Read the title again.

Thing is, how do we know your actually getting any more success than anyone else here and this is your own theory?

Because I'm not brainwashed.

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they mean not taking her out to dinner at all.

brainwash
verb
1. persuade completely, often through coercion

 

[Snowman23]

I agree with everything this guy has said.

 

[SinJester]

I think you think I disagreed with you more than you I actually did. The thing is we can't be entirely 'brainwashed' into simply believe what you say either You see? I just expected a big rant on looks vs everything else when I clicked on the thread.

I agree with everythign ketostix has said, although I make no claims to have been from A to Z myself. I think that looks matter but not nearly as much as most people are lead to believe.

 

[Snowman23]

I think what this guys saying is stop over analyzing everything people say. Have some confidence and do things without asking others. It was a pretty clear message.

 

[ketostix]

I think what this guys saying is stop over analyzing everything people say. Have some confidence and do things without asking others. It was a pretty clear message.

No he/she said that everyone here is was social outcast with a personality disorder clinging to advice from "gurus" who don't know what they're talking about. That was the main thesis.

 

[Obey Propaganda]

I said it was my guess. I never said all of you were. And this is the second time you've mentioned it. Did you take offense? You know what they say. A guilty conscience needs no accuser.

 

[SinJester]

You both are right.

I hate to say it, but I'm guessing the majority of people here are either social outcasts or have Bipolar Disorder. It's the honest truth.

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You really have no idea about women at all, or even life in general. You sit at your computer and listen to so-called "gurus" with their force-fed advice.

agree with what ketostix propses. Snowman is saying what I think the author is trying to get accross. Either way take out of it what you want and ignore the rest.

Just a bit off advice, if you want people to listen to you, its best no to insult them right away.

 

[ketostix]

You know what they say. A guilty conscience needs no accuser.

And they all so say those who point a finger have three pointing back at them .

 

[Obey Propaganda]

I don't know why you think this was all aimed at you. I've basically told you numerous times if it doesn't apply to you, don't take offense. Yet you keep taking offense.

Denial? Or... ?

 

[Snowman23]

keto he never said anything to you. What's your beef?

 

[ketostix]

I don't know why you think this was all aimed at you. I've basically told you numerous times if it doesn't apply to you, don't take offense. Yet you keep taking offense.

Denial? Or... ?

Well it applies to me if I disagree with several of your conclusions, e.g, looks don't matter, "tactics" that I think are valid don't work, etc. You made broad statements and conclusion and now you're trying to wiggle out of them. I'm not taking offense. I'm just saying your wrong and being a little offensive.

 

[ketostix]

keto he never said anything to you. What's your beef?

And I never said anything to you, so what's your beef. My "beef" is I disagree with him in the first place, and in the second he hasn't really offered anything actionable other than suggesting to "ignore" the gurus.

 

[Obey Propaganda]

Okay I'm going to have to ask you to contribute something positive to the thread. So if you could go ahead and stop with the negative remarks I'd appreciate it.

Thaaanks

 

[Jitterbug]

"Obey Propaganda", you say people here are slaves to the "gurus", but it sounds like you're trying to be a guru yourself by starting this thread. Someone who's new to the forum creating a thread to enlighten all of us? Hmm.... What is your purpose?

As for your "looks are irrelevant" point, no it is not irrelevant. It isn't everything, but it is a significant part of the dynamic. I bet you're either not good-looking yourself, nor have you hung out with good-looking guys in the field.

 

[Warrior74]

People who sadly want to believe looks are irrelevant are deluding themselves. Looks do matter. They just don't matter as much to some women than to others. Is some 6 foot tall blonde supermodel going to date some bus driver who looks like danny devito? I think its a long shot. Will she date her boss who looks like danny devito...well the odds increase don't they? Will she date her boss who looks like brad pitt? I say the odds significantly increase.


clout (status in life)
front (how you dress, look)
personality (who you are)

all mix together to make you the man you are. They don't make you more or less of a man, they just make up your profile. Any of these can attract a woman. Any of these can repell a woman. Think of it a formula.

But to base everything on looks, or the non-need of looks is just rediculous. We've all seen ugly dudes with hot chics. Obviously they have something going for them. Some other part of the equation.

For those hung up on the "Alpha" thing....I don't think every alpha male was some 6 foot tall blonde blue eyed thin model looking guy. I think he looked like a real man. Like he could go out and hunt, or kill, or protect his tribe. It wasn't what he looked like, it's who he was and what he did that mattered more. What do you think primative women wanted? Some skinny pretty boy chief in charge of feeding her, or some guy who could rule men, hunt food, kill for her and protect her? Now look around and think what that guy might look like. Women respond to your actions and personality as well as your looks.

Just throwing in my 2cents.

 

[demonic]

Funny how i see massive results from not even approaching.It's all in your attitude and confidence.

 

[Faded Image]

Another groundbreaking know-it-all newbie.

In your first post, you already sound like someone who have been banned before.

I give it a couple days before I see banned under you user name.