"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Why I've been failing: Good advice for Novices

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Do you know what a life of ignorance, a life of failing does to a man? It makes him angry. When everyone around you seems to "get it", when they're getting the ***** and you're not- that is enough to push a guy to breaking point.

So, with the interjection of a certain idea and a certain website, this angry guy (me) was shown how to gett girls, how to succeed, how to be happy.

What did I do? I got angrier.

What I hope to put down, concisely, is what I've felt and what I've done wrong, what I want to do to sort it out, and the advice I have. I'm not going to divulge into fables and symbolic stories save two examples, because no one wants an essay.

My failing
Upon seeing the information here, I saw the game as just that, a game. I guess I refused to play. My anger at how everything worked was moved "from the player to the game"- I wasn't jealous of the successful anymore, I was angry at the game. I despised the whole nature of it, from the chastity of marriage to the knowingly provocative nature or a girl's skirt. This anger took a while to shape, and while it was I had game. At one point, I was going out with the best looking girl in the whole school I attended.
So what happened? I get angrier. I didn't want to be friendly to her, in my convoluted logic I felt that if I wasn't an ass to her, if I didn't just use her when i felt like it, I'd be selling out. If she wanted to play the game, the game we all play, then she deserved to get played, the *****.
That's just ****ing pathetic. What the hell is this "game"? All I ended up doing was becoming an arrogant, lazy, angry prick whom no amount of self improvement in other areas could save. What did I do wrong? I got confused, I tried to impose logic on other people (and people are emotional beings), I didn't give up being angry.

How I will sort it out
So that's the first example out the way. Now onto my second. Dale Carnigie has been a bit of a kick in the head to me, and I expected his book "How to Make Friends and influence People" to be a mere reinforcement of what i already knew. I could not have been further from the truth.
In short, he cites very early on the supreme strength and power of one Abraham Lincon. WIthing a few minutes reading, I came to understand that Lincon commanded respect and achieved success because he was good.

The advice
A good guy? Surely this is what we should run from, for when we are "nice guys" we are shunned, we do not succeed!
A nice guy is not a nice guy though. A nice guy, an AFC, is a rat, a dirty selfish little rat. An AFC doesn't get any sex because he is desparate, because he is an unattractive individual, and because he doesn't make people feel good. "But as an AFC I lavished praise on people, but to no avail!", I cry. "Yet, you flattered people". This is the insincere complimenting of another to GET SOMETHING.
Well, if you are just saying something to get somewhere it is no wonder the other person simply saw that they were being used and felt offended and repulsed. Couple this with no looks or self worth and you ahve a very unattractive individual.

What do i want to do? Stop feeling angry. I want to be helpful and good to other people, because I know if I don't I won't be damned the spiritual hell of religious peoples and other dogmatists, but to a very tangeble hell of living a life with no joy.

What am I saying? I am saying that criticising people never helps, that people need to feel wanted and important. People want to feel liked and noticed. People want to feel successful. You all know this or you wouldn't be here! So I will stop being angry, trying to be clever and logical, and start off just being good to people. And you should do this too! If you feel you cannot make an approach, talk to someone you don't know, start by just trying to brighten up their day. To cite Carnegie, if you have an excelent meal at a restaurant, tell the waiter to tell the cook how good it was. Everyday make sure to make someone else feel good about themselves, because if we don't, who will?

"The measure of a great man is in how he treats small men"
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Yeah, that's a tough one. Hang in there, my friend, don't let the bullies win. Perhaps the reason why you are being taken advantage of is because you are so small. I mean 120lbs at 6' is pretty weak, dude.

My advice is to read Diesels thread and bulk up a bit. Remember, you gotta eat big to get big.

That girl sounds like the one-night-stand type to me, friend. I wouldn't waste too much time with her, but try to hit it if you get the opportunity. Perhaps some C and F, mixed with a little Gunwtitch style would work well in this situation. Remember to isolate the target and then work your magic. Try to dress smartly as well, think James Bond style.

Well ya, follow my advice and you shouldn't have much trouble. Go get em, Tiger.
 

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Nice post, Cloud.
Some of Carnegie's stuff is pretty good, but other parts aren't all that spectacular - but I think you're really getting the idea of things.
 

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Originally posted by Teen Spirit
Yeah, that's a tough one. Hang in there, my friend, don't let the bullies win. Perhaps the reason why you are being taken advantage of is because you are so small. I mean 120lbs at 6' is pretty weak, dude.

My advice is to read Diesels thread and bulk up a bit. Remember, you gotta eat big to get big.

That girl sounds like the one-night-stand type to me, friend. I wouldn't waste too much time with her, but try to hit it if you get the opportunity. Perhaps some C and F, mixed with a little Gunwtitch style would work well in this situation. Remember to isolate the target and then work your magic. Try to dress smartly as well, think James Bond style.

Well ya, follow my advice and you shouldn't have much trouble. Go get em, Tiger.
Wrong thread?
 

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^^^^^ Yeah, I'm sure he'll realise in a bit and it'll get deleted.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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