"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Why do most women say I'm a nice guy for?

synergy1

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I am disappointed I did not know who this Floyd poster was until today because these posts are excellent. Nothing gets by him and he pretty much lays it out WITH examples to back it up. This community stands to learn a lot from this guy if it continues to contribute.


It's tough, but when you don't have the looks, you gotta work a little harder to get them interested. You can't just say hi and start talking - then have them show interest. Conversational skills are must. You also need to flirt and show sexual interest - since they aren't going to show it in you. You can't be shy or nervous, because you'll be viewed as low status. They won't say "he's hot; his shyness is cute".


This is what one of my friends who is a natural does very well. There is nothing about this guy just by looking at him that screams lady killer, but he does a phenomenal job talking/flirting and getting their attention. He breaks many of the so called "rules", but is one of the few people I am afraid will be able to steal away any girls I am going after. I am convinced this is a trait that some people just have.


You absolutely cannot let rejection get to you, or make you feel insecure and unattractive. When you think this way - it shows in your behaviors, and women get turned off. Don't come off as desperate, lonely, unlikeable, etc. Always act like you're a prize; a good catch with options, experience, and standards. Have no fear.


Easy to understand, hard to put into practice. you can't just fake 'being the prize'. Even I can tell when guys are delusional and pretending to be the **** - its pathetic. I always have a little bit of fear still when I approach, even if it doesn't look like it. I have had many a conversation where I admit that going up to their group was a bit nerve wracking. It gets them laughing since they never believe it.

The whole nice thing is a merely semantics. Anyone who has gotten girls on a somewhat regular basis knows this. The key thing is their attraction to you, not how nice of a person you are. I have been called nice and gotten laid, and been called a jerk and also gotten laid. There is virtually no correlation there. I think Floyd's points can be broken down simply: Focus on what makes women attracted to you, not how nice/ mean you are. Don't try to be mean for that sake alone, and don't think that being nice will hinder your chances. The real obstacle is how you project your sexuality.

edit: actually I meant to say that I have been a jerk and not gotten laid for it. Still, no correlation to be seen.
 
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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zekko

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Inlone said:
Nice=nonsexual is a good simple way of defining it, imho
I totally disagree that nice=nonsexual*. Nice simply means pleasant, friendly, thoughtful, well mannered. You think nice guys don't want sex? You think they go out with girls and don't go for the makeout at least? They are males, you know.

I know a guy, I can't imagine anyone not describing him as a nice guy. In fact, I would go further and say he's AFC. Romantic, flower buying type, when he and his wife get into a fight he is practically whimpering.
But the girls drool all over him. Why? Because he's tall and good looking. If you are attractive, being nice does not cancel it out.

This sums it up nicely:
synergy1 said:
The whole nice thing is a merely semantics. Anyone who has gotten girls on a somewhat regular basis knows this. The key thing is their attraction to you, not how nice of a person you are. I have been called nice and gotten laid, and been called a jerk and also gotten laid. There is virtually no correlation there.
Totally agree.

*Again, I'm not talking about the PUA definition of Nice Guy, which means basically a huge simpering wimp.
 

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Met up at a bar the other night for the first time with a girl I met from a class I took. Drank, danced a little (some grinding). Things seemed to be going well. I wasn't able to get her home (lot's of friends around on both sides).

I was a bit drunk and don't remember the context, but she said "you're such a nice guy." I believe I said "who said I was nice?" with a ****y grin. She laughed and said "well I THOUGHT you were nice," and I switched the subject.

We'll see if I can still bang her when I invite her over tomorrow. A real life experiment :D
 

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See ARrocket, you were grinding on the girl and she thought you were a nice guy. Saying a nice guy can't be sexual is completely false.
 

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She's telling you you're a nice guy eh?


Well next time a girl tells you that, reply with Fux yeah I am while giving her oh so curvaceous booty a nice teasing slap.


Wanna get more sexual? That's how.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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