Why do men have to be near perfect to land women here in the states

[Ringleader41]

and women can be the antithesis of perfect and still land a mate. We men need to stop idolizing a slit in between somebody's legs. This is pathetic, and yes there are exceptions. Just like there will always be a lottery winner.

 

[Jaylan]

and women can be the antithesis of perfect and still land a mate. We men need to stop idolizing a slit in between somebody's legs. This is pathetic, and yes there are exceptions. Just like there will always be a lottery winner.

Um, no. Crappy women get pump and dumped. Or they simply get ignored by smart men.

Its not hard to get a female if youre in decent shape, dress well, and are at least not ugly. And most people arent ugly...so all of this is doable. Now, finding a great girl for a relationship might be a little harder...but thats par for the course. Everyone wants a good partner.

But if youre just looking for sex...its not stupendously hard. Sure its easier for women to obtain sex, but thats biology for ya.

 

[Ringleader41]

Um, no. Crappy women get pump and dumped. Or they simply get ignored by smart men.

Its not hard to get a female if youre in decent shape, dress well, and are at least not ugly. And most people arent ugly...so all of this is doable. Now, finding a great girl for a relationship might be a little harder...but thats par for the course. Everyone wants a good partner.

But if youre just looking for sex...its not stupendously hard. Sure its easier for women to obtain sex, but thats biology for ya.

all those and I still don't land any women here.

 

[Robert28]

Um, no. Crappy women get pump and dumped. Or they simply get ignored by smart men.

Its not hard to get a female if youre in decent shape, dress well, and are at least not ugly. And most people arent ugly...so all of this is doable. Now, finding a great girl for a relationship might be a little harder...but thats par for the course. Everyone wants a good partner.

But if youre just looking for sex...its not stupendously hard. Sure its easier for women to obtain sex, but thats biology for ya.

Getting dates has never really been an issue for me. Finding a girl worth seriously dating has become a HUGE problem for me since I reached my 30's. Also sex has somewhat become harder but I think it's because my standards haven't been lowered since I reached my 30's and I refuse to sleep with some out of shape woman, whether it's due to her being a baby factory or not. Alot of women close to my age have started to let themselves go. That ain't for me, jack!

 

[Vidrio]

You don't. If you only read this site you might think that, but I know plenty of fat and not so good looking guys who have sex with decent looking girls. Confidence is key. Then again, I'm in college so maybe when you're in the "real world" the game changes.

 

[Robert28]

You don't. If you only read this site you might think that, but I know plenty of fat and not so good looking guys who have sex with decent looking girls. Confidence is key. Then again, I'm in college so maybe when you're in the "real world" the game changes.

From my experience if you aren't getting laid in college it sure as he!! won't get any easier when you get out.

 

[floydb25]

Generalizing and assuming based on personal failure is never a good idea. You're telling me that all of those couples out there - in the entire United States - involve a damn near perfect guy? Negative. Not even in your own town, is this the case.

What's happening is, you're unsuccessful for whatever reasons, and trying to throw that onto everyone... when it's really just you making exaggerated excuses and outlandish claims for failing. You can't get a girl, so it must be because they all have rediculously high standards, and only date perfect guys. There is no proof of this, because it's not true. Just like all of the other whiners who blame women for their failures with them. :moon:

 

[Robert28]

Generalizing and assuming based on personal failure is never a good idea. You're telling me that all of those couples out there - in the entire United States - involve a damn near perfect guy? Negative. Not even in your own town, is this the case.

What's happening is, you're unsuccessful for whatever reasons, and trying to throw that onto everyone... when it's really just you making exaggerated excuses and outlandish claims for failing. You can't get a girl, so it must be because they all have rediculously high standards, and only date perfect guys. There is no proof of this, because it's not true. Just like all of the other whiners who blame women for their failures with them. :moon:

The only thing I blame on women really is their stupid choice making when it comes to men. They'll have two guys after them and 9 times out of 10 will pick the wrong one and then months later after they finally realized the guy wasn't worth a sh!t (even though half of society knew he wasn't worth a crap to begin with) then you have to hear about all her trials and tribulations she went through with him. "I just wish I could get a guy that liked me for me"(she could have had that but didn't want it). "I want a guy who's honest and faithful"(guy she chose over the other one cheated on his last girlfriend the whole time they were together and everyone knew about it except her dumb@$$). I mean for Christ sakes it's like you have a God d@mn Pinto and a Mustang sitting side by side and you chose the Pinto and then complain it doesn't drive like a Mustang even though everyone else knew it wouldn't drive like a Mustang to begin with but no you had to go and waste money on it and now you want to b!tch and complain because you're a d@mn fool and can't make good decisions in life.

 

[SirFratserlot]

It is the womens fault for having unreasonable expectations and having a shoe mindset when it comes to men.

 

[Mike32ct]

From my experience if you aren't getting laid in college it sure as he!! won't get any easier when you get out.

^This.

 

[Jaylan]

Getting dates has never really been an issue for me. Finding a girl worth seriously dating has become a HUGE problem for me since I reached my 30's. Also sex has somewhat become harder but I think it's because my standards haven't been lowered since I reached my 30's and I refuse to sleep with some out of shape woman, whether it's due to her being a baby factory or not. Alot of women close to my age have started to let themselves go. That ain't for me, jack!

Yeah Im worried about my 30s.

While attractive women I want to sleep with are plentiful, women I want relationships with are definitely not. Im picky and refuse to lower my standards to be in a relationship I wont enjoy to its fullest.

And like you, I wont tolerate dating someone not in shape. I go to the gym and take my health seriously and find it attractive that a woman does the same. You think women close to your age have let themselves go? You need to see some of the men and women I went to high school with.

Our 20s are supposed to be our prime, and people have not taken care of themselves at all. And as I get older, my pool feels like it shrinks and shrinks if I want a girl around my age that I can relate to.

You don't. If you only read this site you might think that, but I know plenty of fat and not so good looking guys who have sex with decent looking girls. Confidence is key. Then again, I'm in college so maybe when you're in the "real world" the game changes.

Puzzy was literally thrown at me in college. My first weekend at university after I did two years of community college, I had a girl put the moves on me with the intention of her getting laid that night. And she did lol.

Id go to the bars and have girls ask me to dance and Id have girls I barely know walk up to me and kiss me. And Im not young fabio either. Plus it helps that my school with 65% female, and have a decent sized LGBT community. This meant the women were very much competing for the straight guys on campus.

College is definitely different in the real world. I didnt have to put much effort into meeting single attractive women in my college days. They were all around you whereever you went and whatever you did. Post college its harder because of work, hobbies, and day to day tasks that wont have single women readily available.

Plus the college culture pushes the idea of the hook up culture a lot. Youthful reckless abandon basically. I miss college a lot though. If you walked around campus, went to class, did laundry at the laundromat, went to the store, went to the bar, walked around town, or did hobbies and free time sports, you always had single women around.

So to the OP, if you are in school, just do those things. Make sure you are out and about. And if you are post college, use the weekends to hit the bar or just do some hobbies that have men and women in the groups.

 

[yyc12]

Getting dates has never really been an issue for me. Finding a girl worth seriously dating has become a HUGE problem for me since I reached my 30's. Also sex has somewhat become harder but I think it's because my standards haven't been lowered since I reached my 30's and I refuse to sleep with some out of shape woman, whether it's due to her being a baby factory or not. Alot of women close to my age have started to let themselves go. That ain't for me, jack!

I think sex got easier for me as I passed 30. The older women seem to know how to separate emotions from sex better than the younger ones so they've been easier, for me at least, to get an FWB situation or sex early on.

 

[floydb25]

I don't disagree, but guys do the same thing... with the same girls who are complaining about other guys for the same reasons. Think about it... why are these guys chasing after these girls who DON'T want them, and pine for the unavailable / uninterested? It's the exact same thing. These girls try to change these guys, and other guys are trying to change the girls. Complaining about other people complaining is still complaining. Round and round it goes.

EVERYONE involved is chasing after the wrong type, and avoiding the available / decent / interested - for the same reasons. Wanting to be the hero, attaining the unavailable, and claiming the perceived prize has a lot to do with it. This is the nature of attraction.

Don't be fooled into thinking that these bad boy seeking girls are quality themselves, either. You're only seeing one side of their personality, and so forth. They cause a lot of problems and drama, and are equally to blame. They also have issues of their own, AND are compatible with them in a dysfunctional way. You just don't see it, because you're not involved with them.

Besides, some people ENJOY having chaos, drama, uncertainty, etc. That's their problem. Who cares about the dumb choices of others? Just don't sympathize with them, or try to guide them. Their choice is clear... they clearly enjoy the misery, *****ing, drama, games, unavailability, hot / cold behavior, etc, or they wouldn't be wrapped up in it.

Make no mistake: they SEEK after these "wrong" guys, because of their own issues. Low self esteem has a lot to do with it, but that's not something you can cure. These are usually deep-seeded issues stemming from childhood, and they're NOT going away.

Finally, attraction isn't logical, and can't really be understood. And a lot of people are shallow. They'll tolerate a lot of crap because someone is hot, unavailable, challenging, has perceived value, etc. They're not as innocent or victimized as they lead on. But neither are the guys pining after them, for the same reasons. :moon:

Quality of character has very little to do with attraction or the dating game, which is why a lot of decent folk get left behind, or stick to LTR's with other decent folk.

And really, there's a lot of dumb people out there who make horrible decisions all the time, and don't know ****. Nor do they think or plan.

The only thing I blame on women really is their stupid choice making when it comes to men. They'll have two guys after them and 9 times out of 10 will pick the wrong one and then months later after they finally realized the guy wasn't worth a sh!t (even though half of society knew he wasn't worth a crap to begin with) then you have to hear about all her trials and tribulations she went through with him. "I just wish I could get a guy that liked me for me"(she could have had that but didn't want it). "I want a guy who's honest and faithful"(guy she chose over the other one cheated on his last girlfriend the whole time they were together and everyone knew about it except her dumb@$$). I mean for Christ sakes it's like you have a God d@mn Pinto and a Mustang sitting side by side and you chose the Pinto and then complain it doesn't drive like a Mustang even though everyone else knew it wouldn't drive like a Mustang to begin with but no you had to go and waste money on it and now you want to b!tch and complain because you're a d@mn fool and can't make good decisions in life.

 

[floydb25]

It is the womens fault for having unreasonable expectations and having a shoe mindset when it comes to men.

Who's fault is it for chasing after these high maintenance, immature, flakey, come-and-go, AW-teasing women at bars and parties? Hmmmmmm? These women are ****, but who's pining after them?

 

[Burroughs]

lots of dumb men get laid all the time

then they end up like this

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=195329

 

[PoonChaser]

all those and I still don't land any women here.

So you are an outsider? Is this detectable? Do you have a faggy accent? It seems you like to advertise that you are an outsider. Not good.

If you are weird, like having a brit or other lame accent to your speech, then that will definitely make things difficult for you.

Seriously, in our vagified society it is pretty easy to "land" women. The competition is 99.9% limp-wristed losers and freaks that buy girls flowers and pee sitting down. Any guy that puts in a modest effort (work-out a little, get a tan, get some game, self-respect) is rewarded with a cornucopia of attractive dim-witted ho-bags to toy about with.

Don't blame the womenz for your own shortcomings, this is unproductive and will not help you achieve your goals. Work on yourself, the poon-market is telling you something is wrong with you.

 

[Stagger Lee]

and women can be the antithesis of perfect and still land a mate. We men need to stop idolizing a slit in between somebody's legs. This is pathetic, and yes there are exceptions. Just like there will always be a lottery winner.

Because since there's little monogamy anymore, the top 20-40% best looking men (by females' perception) are sexually monopolizing most all the women.

So even though you might be an average to above average looking guy, and better looking example of a male than the women are of a female who reject you, females limited available sexuality is being monopolized by a slightly better looking guy as his 2nd, 3rd or 4th plate.

It's like asking why can't I get more money that I need. Same reason, 20-40% of the population is taking a larger share and leaving none for you.

 

[Stagger Lee]

The only thing I blame on women really is their stupid choice making when it comes to men. They'll have two guys after them and 9 times out of 10 will pick the wrong one and then months later after they finally realized the guy wasn't worth a sh!t (even though half of society knew he wasn't worth a crap to begin with) then you have to hear about all her trials and tribulations she went through with him. "I just wish I could get a guy that liked me for me"(she could have had that but didn't want it). "I want a guy who's honest and faithful"(guy she chose over the other one cheated on his last girlfriend the whole time they were together and everyone knew about it except her dumb@$$). I mean for Christ sakes it's like you have a God d@mn Pinto and a Mustang sitting side by side and you chose the Pinto and then complain it doesn't drive like a Mustang even though everyone else knew it wouldn't drive like a Mustang to begin with but no you had to go and waste money on it and now you want to b!tch and complain because you're a d@mn fool and can't make good decisions in life.

I've noticed that for many years too. I believe it's because females pick a guy based solely on his appearance/looks and their attraction is based on that. Quality, intelligence, character or any substantive personality virtue is not even in female's criteria.

Notice women are hypersensitive to behavior and character shortcomings of guys that they're not attracted to. Heck they'll fabricate and falsely accuse these guys of thing they're not even doing. But if they find the guy attractive they can't see character or quality flaw that's staring them right in the face. Women are superficial and looks-ist as it gets on top of being subjective and self-deluded.

 

[Mr. Suave]

You don't. If you only read this site you might think that, but I know plenty of fat and not so good looking guys who have sex with decent looking girls. Confidence is key. Then again, I'm in college so maybe when you're in the "real world" the game changes.

Yeah that sounds pretty far removed from reality. Confidence is a tool not a method of attractiveness. It's a tool because it's what allows you to make moves unapologetically and allows you to approach women. That's why it "works".

It's not hard to get that type of confidence either. In fact very easy. A few drunken club nights will do it for you... Definitely. The first few times you attempt to hit on a woman is harder, but honestly, drink ****in' alcohol, problem solved... The experience carries into your sober life. Then once you break that wall, it's literally so easy. I can ask out ANY girl EVER at ANY MOMENT without feeling ANY nervousness or anxiety about doing so. Seriously I could ask Jessica Alba for a date without a single drop of sweat or stutter coming out. Simply for the reason that I've done it a few times and I'm used to being direct with women.

You should ALWAYS be kinda direct by the way. Because it stops you wasting your time. If you are direct you know within minutes of meeting her whether she's into you, if you chat for ages without revealing your intentions only to find out she's not interested it's a HUGE waste of your time and a kick in the teeth.

 

[floydb25]

So you are an outsider? Is this detectable? Do you have a faggy accent? It seems you like to advertise that you are an outsider. Not good.

If you are weird, like having a brit or other lame accent to your speech, then that will definitely make things difficult for you.

Seriously, in our vagified society it is pretty easy to "land" women. The competition is 99.9% limp-wristed losers and freaks that buy girls flowers and pee sitting down. Any guy that puts in a modest effort (work-out a little, get a tan, get some game, self-respect) is rewarded with a cornucopia of attractive dim-witted ho-bags to toy about with.

Don't blame the womenz for your own shortcomings, this is unproductive and will not help you achieve your goals. Work on yourself, the poon-market is telling you something is wrong with you.

Agreed... there's a lot of chumps and losers out there... it's very easy to stand out, and appeal to women. You might end up being "fake", but that's how it is. This is the game you signed up for. You can't just be your plain self, and expect to get noticed. It doesn't work for women, does it? The plain Janes get married, or whatever, and you could too... with them. But that's not what you want. Well, you gotta put in the effort.

I don't agree with not fitting in, and being an outsider, though. It's better to be unique, so long as it's done in a manner where you stand out and appeal to women. And really, you'll end up being an outsider regardless, because people want everyone to be on their wave-length, and tear down those who rise above them. They're not interested in seeing someone who has nicer things than them, has a more appealing personality, attracts better looking women, isn't just a full of bull**** braggart who talks about getting laid with their boyfriends, etc... especially if you aren't deemed "one of them". Most ****s out there can't get ****, and believe this is how it is (or should be) for everyone, so who cares about them. Don't listen to their BS about what you "should" do - when they aren't getting ****. Always do you, and don't give a damn what others think, or trying to fit in and being on their level (of not getting ****, and being a loser).

It's a very good thing to exceed others, stand out, and be different. Even insofar as being laid back, a little stuck up, mysterious, independent, free-going, and ****y... guys may not like this, and will shun you for being different, but who gives a ****. You're not there to make friends. Just make sure everything you do appeals to women. Most of what appeals to one is a turn off to the other - especially when you're attracting what they want. Being "one of the guys" does nothing to attract women, so don't even worry about that. In fact, chicks dig the opposite.