"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Why do I feel like this?
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
LostAndConfused
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Haha sorry stephane but I gotta disagree, lol (on your above post).
From a high schoolers perspective...
They want it. They are just afraid. Afraid of losing their reputation, afraid of gossip about her if she does reach out to her desires.....
Women are weak creatures. Their whole life depends on what other women and people think of them, so if a handsome guy approaches her games her very well, but isn't very well liked, she will automatically reject him. She has a "reputation" to uphold. Like Manic said, women are VERY (probably too much) socially dependent. Theres so much evidence of this I don't even need to give out examples here.
But let me get back on topic. Have you ever overheard a group of nerdy/ugly girls talk to each other who can't really get that many guys interested? I'll guarantee you, if you listen in for long enough and if they are comfortable with each other, they will randomly drop sexually-charged innuendo LEFT AND RIGHT. Even things most GUYS won't immediately relate to sex they will connect to sex.
Why do they do this? Because all they have is each other, they really don't have any guys to do these sexual acts with. That cute classy girl in high school? There's a chance she's prude (but sex is on her mind alot, I oftentimes drop sexual connotation with them and they obviously secretly LOVE IT), but if she's just a normal girl, she's having sex. Maybe even alot of it.
Not trying to be mean, but you aren't the guy who she's doing it with, and you just don't hear about it. I'm that guy who never hears about it too, but I can pick up on girls' responses when I or some other guy drops sexual innuendo (in YOUR endo
)
I mean whats the most common reaction you see in high school? You say something like that, and they lightly punch you in the arm, maybe call you a perv? Thats playful kino, she absolutely enjoyed your comment.
She keeps it under wraps, and the guy she's doing it with has no need to tell many others about it either...even if hes the type that brags to his friends.
From a high schoolers perspective...
They want it. They are just afraid. Afraid of losing their reputation, afraid of gossip about her if she does reach out to her desires.....
Women are weak creatures. Their whole life depends on what other women and people think of them, so if a handsome guy approaches her games her very well, but isn't very well liked, she will automatically reject him. She has a "reputation" to uphold. Like Manic said, women are VERY (probably too much) socially dependent. Theres so much evidence of this I don't even need to give out examples here.
But let me get back on topic. Have you ever overheard a group of nerdy/ugly girls talk to each other who can't really get that many guys interested? I'll guarantee you, if you listen in for long enough and if they are comfortable with each other, they will randomly drop sexually-charged innuendo LEFT AND RIGHT. Even things most GUYS won't immediately relate to sex they will connect to sex.
Why do they do this? Because all they have is each other, they really don't have any guys to do these sexual acts with. That cute classy girl in high school? There's a chance she's prude (but sex is on her mind alot, I oftentimes drop sexual connotation with them and they obviously secretly LOVE IT), but if she's just a normal girl, she's having sex. Maybe even alot of it.
Not trying to be mean, but you aren't the guy who she's doing it with, and you just don't hear about it. I'm that guy who never hears about it too, but I can pick up on girls' responses when I or some other guy drops sexual innuendo (in YOUR endo
)I mean whats the most common reaction you see in high school? You say something like that, and they lightly punch you in the arm, maybe call you a perv? Thats playful kino, she absolutely enjoyed your comment.
She keeps it under wraps, and the guy she's doing it with has no need to tell many others about it either...even if hes the type that brags to his friends.
I agree but it's women who are stopping a lot more sex taking place and making men compete for them, it's not like every average guy and above gets laid, it seems like most don't get laid. They might like sex but they are not sexing 8 guys or whatever, just 1 or maybe 2 at the most. If a guy could he'd sex as many as physically possible. So that's why to me women aren't that bothered about sex. I think they are bothered about the social power and ego boost that associates with sexing a guy that other girls fancy and flirt with though.LostAndConfused said:Haha sorry stephane but I gotta disagree, lol (on your above post).
From a high schoolers perspective...
They want it. They are just afraid. Afraid of losing their reputation, afraid of gossip about her if she does reach out to her desires.....
Women are weak creatures. Their whole life depends on what other women and people think of them, so if a handsome guy approaches her games her very well, but isn't very well liked, she will automatically reject him. She has a "reputation" to uphold. Like Manic said, women are VERY (probably too much) socially dependent. Theres so much evidence of this I don't even need to give out examples here.
But let me get back on topic. Have you ever overheard a group of nerdy/ugly girls talk to each other who can't really get that many guys interested? I'll guarantee you, if you listen in for long enough and if they are comfortable with each other, they will randomly drop sexually-charged innuendo LEFT AND RIGHT. Even things most GUYS won't immediately relate to sex they will connect to sex.
Why do they do this? Because all they have is each other, they really don't have any guys to do these sexual acts with. That cute classy girl in high school? There's a chance she's prude (but sex is on her mind alot, I oftentimes drop sexual connotation with them and they obviously secretly LOVE IT), but if she's just a normal girl, she's having sex. Maybe even alot of it.
Not trying to be mean, but you aren't the guy who she's doing it with, and you just don't hear about it. I'm that guy who never hears about it too, but I can pick up on girls' responses when I or some other guy drops sexual innuendo (in YOUR endo
I mean whats the most common reaction you see in high school? You say something like that, and they lightly punch you in the arm, maybe call you a perv? Thats playful kino, she absolutely enjoyed your comment.
She keeps it under wraps, and the guy she's doing it with has no need to tell many others about it either...even if hes the type that brags to his friends.
MM
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Prodigy746
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Mad Manic sry dood you are losing this battle. I am by no means a DJ but i know enought that girls love sex. Again it really depends on thie girl, some girls are more sexual than other but girls enjoy sex just as much as guys do. Now, why does it take them so long to sleep with a guy that she likes?? Well as some people mentioned she doesnt want to come off as a slut.
Another reason is that when most COOL guys get what they want they usually move on to another girl. They dont give them the attention they did when they just met them. Even me i work hard for it until i get it but once i get it i kinda stay back. My last thing is, if girls didnt like sex why would there be a way for a girl to masterbate. If they hated sex as much as you say why would they be masterbating. Do you ever masterbate just to masterbate...no u do it because it feels good.
Another reason is that when most COOL guys get what they want they usually move on to another girl. They dont give them the attention they did when they just met them. Even me i work hard for it until i get it but once i get it i kinda stay back. My last thing is, if girls didnt like sex why would there be a way for a girl to masterbate. If they hated sex as much as you say why would they be masterbating. Do you ever masterbate just to masterbate...no u do it because it feels good.
How many times have you heard of guys complain "we don't have sex enough" or "she doesn't give me sex" or "I need my physical needs met and the wife is not meeting them."Prodigy746 said:
You NEVER hear the woman say in the first year of marriage "My husband refuses to have sex with me, I will have to divorce him."
they perhaps have more control over their urges. they still want sex but they're not just gonna cave to some beta face dweeb. they'll wait and wait til alpha boy rocks up. women have a higher selection criteria. guys (not all) couldn't give a fvck.DonJuan11 said:
the reason you don't hear women complaining about lack of sex is usally because its easy for them to get sex. there is no such complaint! at the click of a finger they could get it if they want it. Women's complaint would be more...oh i only came once or not at all. the only woman i can imagine complaining about not being able to get sex would be an old ugly one. even then im sure some sick fvck would still poke it.
So what's considered cool then? Let me guess, you have to be white, into drinking and not have high grades/go to a top uni for starters. Nothing ceases to amaze me anymore. They then say it's about social circles and whatnot but one doesn't really have control over that because it is totally based on race and class. It's all one big conspiracy. You have to be 'ok' and white or considerably above ok, lucky and not white.Prodigy746 said:
MM