jhonny9546
Master Don Juan
Hi guys! Jhonny's here!
I'm a history enthusiast, and what does history teach us about winners, about men who are surrounded by victories and recognition?
To win in life, you have to get things.
To get things, in modern society, but also in old society, since time immemorial, you have to use violence, when they aren't granted simply by asking.
In Nature, the big fish eats the small fish.
The larger animal takes over the area or space by demonstrating its dominance over the smaller animal.
Now, as far as Nature is concerned, this works very well. But humans are complex animals.
They are also very social and emotional, as well as ethical.
We can have multifaceted dominance, not just physical strength.
Someone small can be very intelligent compared to someone huge but stupid and can actually bring more prosperity.
Someone can be financially dominant compared to someone intelligent.
Someone can be socially dominant (have a group of people supporting them.
When someone says "bad people seem to get everything," they often mean people who have a bad attitude/behavior or a bad sense of ethics, etc., but are dominant in that situation?
Also, have you ever seen a dominant animal politely ask the other animal to leave its area? I'm guessing not.
If they think they are dominant and have more power, they will most often view the area as their own and view the intruder as a challenge and will lunge at it or display their dominance (a display of strength).
So do humans.
You can't achieve anything without strength.
You can maintain anything with ethics and good behavior (once you've achieved it).
But to achieve something, you need strength, dominance or violence in that area...
That's why bad people seem to achieve everything. High dominance and low respect for behavior or ethics.
"Getting" dominance is something you take. It's not given to you, which is why it's called "getting what you want." You either go get it, or you don't, and anyone who gets in your way must be preyed upon with arrogance and violence until you get what you need.
These may be strong words, but I've simply tried to describe in words what REALLY happens in the world we live in: winners play dirty, while losers play fair.
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Let's get to the point.
If society works this way (each of you can confirm this from your own life experiences), why do we, as men, focus on our self improvement, and we teach ourself to be assertive, to control our emotions, to be resilient, stoic, to respect boundaries, and to avoid situations that have disrespected us, ather than being reactive and becoming violent and overcoming that situation by demonstrating strength?
We all agree here that if someone disrespects you, then you'll show them the door or walk away.
This is how you would behave as a mature man, yet, this is an avoidance of that situation because the person has disrespected you, so you're demonstrating avoidance of conflict.
Avoiding conflict means you won't fight for it.
Which means you've accepted losing BUT you'll never seeing that person again.
Now, let's apply this concept to other areas of life, which are not interpersonal relationships.
You're at work, you're being bullied a little, you express your boundaries and report it to HR, but it continues. So instead of confronting this person and winning by becoming a bully, displaying violence, and managing to "overcome" it, you instead leave and get fired because they're bullying you.
So you lose the job.
The bully did not get fired, instead, they might get a promotion.
You could also see this pattern since we first enter our very first social circles: middle school and college.
Have you notice how that pattern repeat till workplace, and adult social circles?
Our society, and men, have evolved to avoid conflict once their boundaries have been crossed and respect has been
Many say that, even in relationships, it's "a question of respect," but it's simply always been a matter of winners or losers.
So while we spend our lifetime improving, becoming mature good men, there still other men who get to eat the biggest slice of the cake, by just apllying the winning formula they've exprienced since childhood, which is, being a prepotent, arrogant, violent bully, who don't care of anyone but himself.
They will apply that formula to their relationship, job/career, social circles, hobbbies and interest and manage to be the winners in every field.
That formula will win in every field.
This is just a discussion I'd love to bring to the table since it's actually very real and it's the reality the world rotates around
I'm a history enthusiast, and what does history teach us about winners, about men who are surrounded by victories and recognition?
To win in life, you have to get things.
To get things, in modern society, but also in old society, since time immemorial, you have to use violence, when they aren't granted simply by asking.
In Nature, the big fish eats the small fish.
The larger animal takes over the area or space by demonstrating its dominance over the smaller animal.
Now, as far as Nature is concerned, this works very well. But humans are complex animals.
They are also very social and emotional, as well as ethical.
We can have multifaceted dominance, not just physical strength.
Someone small can be very intelligent compared to someone huge but stupid and can actually bring more prosperity.
Someone can be financially dominant compared to someone intelligent.
Someone can be socially dominant (have a group of people supporting them.
When someone says "bad people seem to get everything," they often mean people who have a bad attitude/behavior or a bad sense of ethics, etc., but are dominant in that situation?
Also, have you ever seen a dominant animal politely ask the other animal to leave its area? I'm guessing not.
If they think they are dominant and have more power, they will most often view the area as their own and view the intruder as a challenge and will lunge at it or display their dominance (a display of strength).
So do humans.
You can't achieve anything without strength.
You can maintain anything with ethics and good behavior (once you've achieved it).
But to achieve something, you need strength, dominance or violence in that area...
That's why bad people seem to achieve everything. High dominance and low respect for behavior or ethics.
"Getting" dominance is something you take. It's not given to you, which is why it's called "getting what you want." You either go get it, or you don't, and anyone who gets in your way must be preyed upon with arrogance and violence until you get what you need.
These may be strong words, but I've simply tried to describe in words what REALLY happens in the world we live in: winners play dirty, while losers play fair.
---
Let's get to the point.
If society works this way (each of you can confirm this from your own life experiences), why do we, as men, focus on our self improvement, and we teach ourself to be assertive, to control our emotions, to be resilient, stoic, to respect boundaries, and to avoid situations that have disrespected us, ather than being reactive and becoming violent and overcoming that situation by demonstrating strength?
We all agree here that if someone disrespects you, then you'll show them the door or walk away.
This is how you would behave as a mature man, yet, this is an avoidance of that situation because the person has disrespected you, so you're demonstrating avoidance of conflict.
Avoiding conflict means you won't fight for it.
Which means you've accepted losing BUT you'll never seeing that person again.
Now, let's apply this concept to other areas of life, which are not interpersonal relationships.
You're at work, you're being bullied a little, you express your boundaries and report it to HR, but it continues. So instead of confronting this person and winning by becoming a bully, displaying violence, and managing to "overcome" it, you instead leave and get fired because they're bullying you.
So you lose the job.
The bully did not get fired, instead, they might get a promotion.
You could also see this pattern since we first enter our very first social circles: middle school and college.
Have you notice how that pattern repeat till workplace, and adult social circles?
Our society, and men, have evolved to avoid conflict once their boundaries have been crossed and respect has been
Many say that, even in relationships, it's "a question of respect," but it's simply always been a matter of winners or losers.
So while we spend our lifetime improving, becoming mature good men, there still other men who get to eat the biggest slice of the cake, by just apllying the winning formula they've exprienced since childhood, which is, being a prepotent, arrogant, violent bully, who don't care of anyone but himself.
They will apply that formula to their relationship, job/career, social circles, hobbbies and interest and manage to be the winners in every field.
That formula will win in every field.
This is just a discussion I'd love to bring to the table since it's actually very real and it's the reality the world rotates around
