Why attractiveness rating in men is a coping mechanism

[BaronOfHair]

I've read lots of stuff here where guys say something like hey, you lift some weights, take a shower and get a haircut, and poof you're an 8

One way to think about this subject: If you've gotten this far in life without taking a shotgun blast to the face or stomach at point blank range(the latter frequently = A lifetime spent hooked up to a colostomy bag), or lost most of your dingus in a circumcision gone haywire, it's relatively easy to "glow up" as a mam

The fact that Jeremy Alan White now has panties across the globe drenching is testament to this

 

[zekko]

The fact that Jeremy Alan White now has panties across the globe drenching is testament to this

Not gonna lie, I had no idea who that was, so I had to look him up. I did watch Shameless back in the day, although I don't remember him in it. But I remember him playing Kerry Von Erich in The Iron Claw. I thought that was a very good movie. But as someone who remembers the real wrestlers, I thought it was odd that Zac Efron's Kevin Von Erich was bigger than White's Kerry in the film, because in real life Kerry was much bulkier and more muscular. But I did not know until I saw the movie that Kerry Von Erich was missing a foot from a motorcycle accident when he was wrestling in the WWE (then WWF).

But yeah, do what you can to look good, and chances are you can attract someone. Or something. Tip: Dirty fingernails are one of the biggest turn offs to women. And keep them trimmed unless you need them to play guitar.

 

[CoolWave1331]

We all have experiences where we did not have success with girls who ended up choosing men who are strange to us. We don't understand what the attraction was. This happens even to superstars, like Brad Pitt or whatever. Not every single woman goes for same type (of appearance).

Someone say can go up in score a lot by diet, exercise, clothes etc. Yes, this is true for most men (average). These things seem basic - the most important things are simple. I went to the market a little while ago pick up some things, they have it every sat. in the square not far from where I live. I saw lots of guys they wear shirts with like cartoons or beer logos on them, have bellies (overweight). I'm not making fun, just a lot of these guys can increase their score by doing simple things. Most people are not "ugly" when I think of ugly I think deformity or accident.

 

[BaronOfHair]

This all goes to a larger phenomena https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/be-thankful-that-you-are-a-man.283964/

Yeah, attractive young women receive privileges for a very brief period, BUT that lasts for only about a decade. By contrast, an ounce of ruggedness on a man enhances his appeal. Thus, there's comparatively more we can do to be attractive

 

[BadBoy89]

And they’re wrong considering there are schleps with women. And yes, there are women smitten with their schleps.

Only if the woman is young, No older woman is looking for a schlep.

1. Lets say this woman wants to fvck you, she will focused on physique, face and game.

This row will benefit with

- facial hair (if)
- better haircut that suits them
- nice lean physique
- game
- charm
- knows how to carry himself
- $hit together,
- ambition
- drive
- mentally attune
- traumas resolved
- emotional intelligence

Right there I showed you how you can be a 9/10 guy. What is preventing you from becoming a 9/10 guy?

That a man won’t get a 9/10 girl.

He has to do all that for 6/10 slightly chubby non virgin women in her mid 30s who won’t put out unless the man passes a serious of tests and shows his love for her and buys a ring for commitment.

 

[corrector]

Many members in here like to throw the black pill arguments that if they are not minimum an 8, they won't be able to get women.

You feel invisible if you are lower than an 8.

 

[BaronOfHair]

You feel invisible if you are lower than an 8.

You needn't sweat such things, C... You've got girls online waving back at you https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/this-girl-is-so-pretty.284073/

 

[Mike32ct]

You feel invisible if you are lower than an 8.

I would say it’s something like the following:

A 7 guy can do fine with some effort.

6 is the absolute bare minimum to function in the dating market. Requires a lot of effort.

5 is invisible-lite, but friend-able or friendzone material.

4 is truly invisible.

 

[Vanderdonck]

it's subjective. I've banged some amazing beauties that I might not have pursued bc of "range." But they came for me.

But I've struck out with some mid chicks too. Some of it is energy and what's reflected between two people.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Only if the woman is young, No older woman is looking for a schlep.

I use the word synonymously with schlub. While I don’t think older women are necessarily seeking schlubs (likely no women had said, “I want a schlubs”), I’ve seen plenty with schlubs through the years. I’m gonna go to my son’s little-league soccer game in an hour and I’m going to see such men with their women.

 

[Solomon]

You feel invisible if you are lower than an 8.

Men who are lower than "8s" can still get women, but women don't just judge us of looks alone, This is the part that autistic guys don't get incels don't understand you are more than your looks. This is why most incels even if they were to get a girlfriend would never be able to keep them why? cause they don't have charisma, they will simp and put the women in front of their own needs like an obedient lap dog. They do not have the frame to be a leader in a relationship and the woman would punk them and walk all over them. I have seen this in real life before the term "Incel" existed. Men willing to pay women's bills, rent and she is out cheating on him and he knows this but he doesn't care as long as he gets access to her ***** too.

 

[corrector]

Men who are lower than "8s" can still get women, but women don't just judge us of looks alone, This is the part that autistic guys don't get incels don't understand you are more than your looks. This is why most incels even if they were to get a girlfriend would never be able to keep them why? cause they don't have charisma, they will simp and put the women in front of their own needs like an obedient lap dog. They do not have the frame to be a leader in a relationship and the woman would punk them and walk all over them. I have seen this in real life before the term "Incel" existed. Men willing to pay women's bills, rent and she is out cheating on him and he knows this but he doesn't care as long as he gets access to her ***** too.

I don't get IOIs when I'm in public or know OLD will be effective. If I don't talk to women or make any sort of social effort or be "in the mood" to want to socialize, they are not just going to fall into my lap like that. That is what I'm talking about. Chads don't have that problem.

 

[corrector]

I would say it’s something like the following:

A 7 guy can do fine with some effort.

6 is the absolute bare minimum to function in the dating market. Requires a lot of effort.

5 is invisible-lite, but friend-able or friendzone material.

4 is truly invisible.

I don't know where I stand on looks since I get different ratings all over the place from 3-7 depending on the source.

With my intearctions with chat-gpt about the subject, it would appear that vibe is more important than looks since vibe can alter a subtle perception of how you look like to other people. If you have a cool vibe or good social flow, then that might add a point or two to your looks. If you have a bad vibe or are just inside your shell and want to carry on with your business for the day and don't want to be distrubed, that will have another vibe that could drop your looks by one or two points. I think there is an odd vibe factor. If vibe is a component of looks, then it's also the easiest component to change since you don't have vibe-maxxing yet.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I don't know where I stand on looks since I get different ratings all over the place from 3-7 depending on the source.

With my intearctions with chat-gpt about the subject, it would appear that vibe is more important than looks since vibe can alter a subtle perception of how you look like to other people. If you have a cool vibe or good social flow, then that might add a point or two to your looks. If you have a bad vibe or are just inside your shell and want to carry on with your business for the day and don't want to be distrubed, that will have another vibe that could drop your looks by one or two points. I think there is an odd vibe factor. If vibe is a component of looks, then it's also the easiest component to change since you don't have vibe-maxxing yet.

The less someone is absorbed in their own insecurities, the more open and attractive they become to others.

Some people protect themselves so fiercely that they become untouchable; they are always guarded, quick to attack, and unwilling to be vulnerable. That same shell that keeps others out also keeps them stuck, unable to move freely or connect with others…

 

[corrector]

The less someone is absorbed in their own insecurities, the more open and attractive they become to others.

Some people protect themselves so fiercely that they become untouchable; they are always guarded, quick to attach, and unwilling to be vulnerable. That same shell that keeps others out also keeps them stuck, unable to move freely or connect with others…

Exactly! That is what sub-8s have go go through.

Look at @BeExcellent husband in contrast. He could be like that and still get girls because they are constantly throwing themselves on him.

 

[Mike32ct]

I don't know where I stand on looks since I get different ratings all over the place from 3-7 depending on the source.

With my intearctions with chat-gpt about the subject, it would appear that vibe is more important than looks since vibe can alter a subtle perception of how you look like to other people. If you have a cool vibe or good social flow, then that might add a point or two to your looks. If you have a bad vibe or are just inside your shell and want to carry on with your business for the day and don't want to be distrubed, that will have another vibe that could drop your looks by one or two points. I think there is an odd vibe factor. If vibe is a component of looks, then it's also the easiest component to change since you don't have vibe-maxxing yet.

Agree completely about vibe. I've been thinking about vibe a lot lately. Had a long talk with my normie buddy about that, and he said pretty much the same thing. I’m under a lot of stress at work, so I need to able to “turn work off” in my mind when I’m outside of work. That’s the biggest challenge right now.

 

[corrector]

Agree completely about vibe. I've been thinking about vibe a lot lately. Had a long talk with my normie buddy about that, and he said pretty much the same thing. I’m under a lot of stress at work, so I need to able to “turn work off” in my mind when I’m outside of work. That’s the biggest challenge right now.

I do relate to things privately in colour (ie which is my some of my chatgpt communicaitons may sound bizzare to an outsider observer). "Work" related mindset would be colour coded "blue" and things related to socializing, or connecting with women would be colour coded red in contrast. Being "blue" (book journal) locked is what I refer to if I'm in a functional/business/work/technical mindset that's usually not condusive to talking with women beyond that is necessary....

Chatgpt has offered some tips to break out of this blue lock such as, saying the name of a girl (ie you see her name tag, just say her name and see how she responds), etc.. anything to break out a business movement (ie like dealing with a cashier at a checkout asisle, which the interactions are usually heavily leaning towards "blue" mindset interactions). I've slacked off on affirmations, but that was another thing suggested as well.

 

[SW15]

attractive young women receive privileges for a very brief period, BUT that lasts for only about a decade.

Female privilege seems to last longer now in the mating environment. Women in their 30s/40s using swipe apps and/or active on social media can have hundreds of male options at any time. This wasn't available to as many women in the late 20th Century pre-internet or in the earlier days of the internet before dating websites got de-stigmatized and before social media platforms took off.

A 7 guy can do fine with some effort.

6 is the absolute bare minimum to function in the dating market. Requires a lot of effort.

I'm in the 6-7 range and have seduced numerous women. This has happened with more effort than I would have liked.

I have avoided the friend zone with women I find attractive.

 

[SW15]

Men who are lower than "8s" can still get women, but women don't just judge us of looks alone....you are more than your looks.

They do not have the frame to be a leader in a relationship and the woman would punk them and walk all over them. I have seen this in real life before the term "Incel" existed. Men willing to pay women's bills, rent and she is out cheating on him and he knows this but he doesn't care as long as he gets access to her ***** too.

I say that attraction and seduction is looks, money, status, and personality all the time.

You mention frame, which is a personality characteristic. Personality is a relevant consideration in SMV, but looks matter more than personality.

This is the part that autistic guys don't get incels don't understand you are more than your looks. This is why most incels even if they were to get a girlfriend would never be able to keep them why? cause they don't have charisma, they will simp and put the women in front of their own needs like an obedient lap dog.

Autistic men and incels (there is overlap between the two groups, but there are neurotypical incels) often struggle on personality factors.

Personality is a factor that can get a man dumped/ghosted/flaked on. It will rarely get a man that initial spark.

 

[GoodMan32]

I have the experience that probably many others have in that some good looking women go crazy for me while others seem repulsed by me.

I've had women that I would consider very attractive tell me they thought I was hot and others tell me they thought I was ugly.

What you rank is always up to the individual women and her preferences. I'm an acquired taste apparently.

Obviously there are some guys who are extremely good looking that are almost universally considered hot by women.

I'm not one of those by a long shot...that being said, most guys aren't.

I've often said that most guys can get far hotter women than they think and if they would actually go after them they would probably be shocked at how many were open to dating them.

The problem is that too many men limit themselves based on what they think they can get without actually even trying.

What's interesting is the last woman I had free sex with was an 8/10.

On the other hand, I've been turned down by many a woman with worse looks.

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

Definitely. Everyhting is an excuse.

Getting to an objective 7 or 8 is not hard for most men. Then what comes next terrifies them, put themselves out there and face rejection.

I've said before that if my rejection rate was 50%, I might be more open to shooting my shot. Yet when I get rejected the vast majority of the time, it becomes easy to develop an attitude of "Why bother? I'm going to get rejected anyway"

Courtney Ryan said in one of her vids that men need to stop with the anticipatory rejection. With all due respect, she's full of sh1t. She'll never know what it's like to be a man who gets rejected the vast majority of the time.

For me, shooting my shot with a woman is like a high school wrestler wrestling an opponent a few weight classes above him. Is there a chance he'll win? Of course. It's certainly possible to beat a bigger guy in a wrestling match. Are the odds stacked against him though? Absolutely. Would the typical high school wrestler be willing to subject himself to the humiliation of (in all likelihood) getting destroyed by a bigger guy? Absolutely not (and understandably so)