Why all the fuss around Pook?

[JdelaSilviera]

The guy was probably very well read, and an excellent writer, I´m not going as far as another user who said his stuff was well written nonsense, but the truth of the matter is that there is nothing brilliant on his writtings, although he brings many valid points.

In general sosuave users are very easy to impress, and will give you points over anything remotely smart, or women bashing threads.

He had obviously very good intentions, and spent a lot of time trying to help others, he´s probably a good guy.

From my experience, if you want to be good at picking women, you gotta listen mystery, and david deangelo. These guys proved me that it is possible to get women easilly, if you adopt a certain standard behaviour. I also honestly believe that a very good gamer can kick a super good looking ass, since women are emotional creatures, a guy who is able to control their emotions will get them with ease.
The keys in pickup for me are: ****y and Funny / being a challenge, Pre-selection and willingness to walk away.

I do not think being "alpha" or hypermasculine as Pook tells is going to get you far, although *******s can attract women for a while, it´s not an atittude you should have in the long run. I can see already many here trying to behave like alphas, and trying to constantly lead your group of friends wich will probably bother them sooner or later.

The guys that I see often with with women are 1)good looking ones 2)athletic but not too muscular 3) players 4) charming guys 5) funny guys 6) social guys with lots of friends (no particular order).

The tough and overly muscular guys, usually are all alone by themselves holding their glass of beer in the clubs.

No need to act "alpha" whatsoever, be normal, just asure everyone respects you.

Also the advice of being sexual is simply terrible, you don´t need to show you have sexual desires, women already know it, and we don´t live in the jungle anymore, so act like a civilized person and not an ape.

You have to seduce (wich you may say is a form of sexual expression) her, and then gradually show interest as you understand your game is working. Of course when she is all over you, you can get sexual, but most guys are seen as pervets if they show any signs (verbally or with body language) of sexual desire before the girl is attracted. Just look at construction workers...

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

Well, I like Pook more because his advice wasn't simply guiding us to get women into bed. He was trying to guide us to be better men.

With a guy like Mystery, I get a bunch of buzzwords designed to help me fake my way into a one night stand. He's also one of the guys who popularized terms like "peacocking" and "negging" and all that other gimmicky crap.

 

[Zarky]

Also the advice of being sexual is simply terrible, you don´t need to show you have sexual desires, women already know it, and we don´t live in the jungle anymore, so act like a civilized person and not an ape.

As I always say, there's a difference between being sexy and being horny. Lots of guys are horny, very few guys are sexy.

 

[Chamber36]

I can show sexuality through my eyes. Don't have to use words. I suppose body language helps.

But I'm looking for sexual women. Maybe you're looking for women who like to cover themselves up and act like they aren't designed to be ****ed, so then yeah, hide your sexuality. Fact is you statistically got 17 times the amount of testosterone in your blood that a woman has.

And being Alpha WILL get you far. Some girls are so stupid; all you have to do is assert yourself and they'll be swooning all over you, when before they were ****-testing you.

You just have to find the right balance between being polite and being Alpha. I believe it's possible to be both. Then again, I say whatever the hell I want. I just want things to always go fair and square, or in my favor. I always want everyone to be treated equal, but my future is the most important thing to me. I won't let people negatively effect my life.

I know Mystery is a true pick-up master, and he knows 1000x more than I do, but I don't really recommend his teachings for everyone. It's all outer game. He's left a hollow shell for inner game. But he knows a lot of facts. He's super scientific when it comes to human mating. That really takes the fun out of it for me. I don't want to use the same line on every girl.

David DeAngelo takes care of everything concerning inner game though. The stuff he told me about boundaries was pretty profound.

Now for pook: he may have been a misogynist but he opened the doors for thousands of AFC's around the world I'm sure. He probably shook their reality a bit. Unplugged them.

I'm glad you actually reminded me, because he heavily emphasized masculinity. I think it's important to emphasize that. More than anything. It's what attracts women.

 

[zekko]

I admire your courage, taking on the myth of Pook on this forum.
I don't think you're giving him quite enough credit. But I was surprised to see how much of the DJ Bible is made up of just his posts. He was basically writing about his specific journey and what worked for him. I don't think he had a universal method that would work for everybody. He did post some universal thruths, but I know not all of his experiences matched mine.

In general sosuave users are very easy to impress, and will give you points over anything remotely smart, or women bashing threads

Yeah, pretty much if you post something that bashes women or sounds counter-intuitive you are going to be praised.

I do not think being "alpha" or hypermasculine as Pook tells is going to get you far

It can be overdone. I posted about a woman on another thread who complained about being attracted to guys, then finding out they were guy. Nothing "hypermasculine" about that, is there? The masculine attracts the feminine, but there are a lot of different types of guys who can attract women. You don't have to fall into one "DJ approved" stereotype.

The guys that I see often with with women are 1)good looking ones 2)athletic but not too muscular 3) players 4) charming guys 5) funny guys 6) social guys with lots of friends (no particular order).

That covers a lot of ground. Like I said, there are a lot of different types of guys who can attract women.

The tough and overly muscular guys, usually are all alone by themselves holding their glass of beer in the clubs

Pook said that once he got to be a certain size (from working out), the girls were afraid to talk to him.

Also the advice of being sexual is simply terrible, you don´t need to show you have sexual desires, women already know it, and we don´t live in the jungle anymore, so act like a civilized person and not an ape

Nothing wrong with being sexual, but it's a little different than the indirect method Mystery talks about, where you sort of sneak in under her radar, and she doesn't think you're just another guy hitting on her.

You have to seduce (wich you may say is a form of sexual expression) her, and then gradually show interest as you understand your game is working

One thing they don't cover very well here is that at some point, you're going to have to show some interest in her.

 

[perseverance]

The reason I liked Pook's material is because it helped me kick start a self improvement programme, a programme that has helped me lose weight, gain confidence and has made me strive to become a much better man. His book helped motiviate me into changing, I'm not the finished article yet, but I'm working, something I probably would never have done had it not been for Pook.

 

[Aaron B]

Pook wrote for himself

He could have kept his thoughts to himself instead of posting them here

I for one am thankful he didn't keep his thoughts to himself

 

[zekko]

I have to be honest here. I was trying to think if reading Pook has changed my life in any way, and I can honestly say it hasn't. Probably if I had read it when I was a young man it would have had more of an impact on me. But most of it is about lessons you learn as a young man, one way or another.

Sounds like Pook was a pretty young guy anyway, he talks about sitting in class talking to girls. Most of the things that he wrote that are the most true were not exactly original to him anyway.

It sounds like I'm ripping on him, I don't mean to. I just think you probably have to be a pretty young guy to get the most out of what he wrote - or if you're older, pretty inexperienced with women.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

The goal of this thread is not to bash Pook. He definetely helps a whole bunch of people. But the truth is that there is nothing original on his writings, and we shouldn´t put anyone on a pedestal... it´s simply not healthy.

Although it seems that most guys here don´t read a thing on pickup, and a read on Pook would be very helpful. Pickup theory works, if one understands it well, that getting women becomes very normal. It is really very easy, with all the flakes I see on the board, I must conclude that most dj´s game is still pretty weak.

 

[Mr. Suave]

The guy was probably very well read, and an excellent writer, I´m not going as far as another user who said his stuff was well written nonsense, but the truth of the matter is that there is nothing brilliant on his writtings, although he brings many valid points.

Correct. People like his stuff because it's motivational and they like his style of writing. But at the core of it, things like "be a man!" I don't find to be very useful advice.

 

[PapiChulo]

"Being sexual" is about acting and looking like a man should, not a pus$y. There is absoluteness nothing wrong with it, as well as showing the desire.

Stating the desire only works if you arent sleazy or express the above verbally like the construction workers - that is what kino is for, I do it to every woman and 9 out of 10 are very content and are looking towards receiving the touch.

Humor also helps with getting people comfortable with any topic without giving the wrong idea.

The first part attracts, and the rest meanwhile plants a little seed in the woman's mind about what might happen between the two of you.


P.S. There are instances where being extremely horny and perverted will turn the woman on.