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Why 30+ years old girls see me as beta provider?

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Those were my levels, my free was 8.9, all the hormones we drink from birth control that the water plant can't filter out is making us females in this feminine society.

It should be evey mans duty to check their T levels and optimize them.
 

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Those were my levels, my free was 8.9, all the hormones we drink from birth control that the water plant can't filter out is making us females in this feminine society.

It should be evey mans duty to check their T levels and optimize them.
Yeah that's getting on the lower side. Your SHBG isn't high though. Mine's in the 40's, with natural T around 600.
 

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As far as Game, I dunno, I'm still on the fence as it sounds too contrived like following some formula for success you read in a book or something.

I could always sense when a man was gaming me and it turned me off.

On the other hand, when he had a great energy/vibe, a bit of playful arrogance naturally due to high confidence and high testosterone, that was a turn ON.
Game is like charme. Something internal. It's like talking to a person with charme vs a person who trying to charme you. A beggar basically tries to charme you to get some cash out you. Same with men trying to get at of you. Sometimes a person with game tries to game you. That's the dude you reject with a smile.

Game is btw way broader than just women. It's a overall lifestyle. A state of mind. Making good decisions, eating healthy ect. All game. Al mostly internal .A man with game fits in your second category .
 

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Hello brows,

I'm 32, I've been a pathetic nice guy all my life, I've been in this journey to recovery for about 1.5 years, I've got my **** together, have starting to date girls I have never been able to, have gotten way more bold and confident.

I have a house, I'm about 10% income earners, great career, have interesting hobbies, like outdoors activities, play sports, fairly ripped, dance latin music in which I get to meet a lot of girls.

My problem is girls younger won't give the time of day, and women 30+ see me as beta provider, single mothers and not mothers, they wanna take everything super quick to the point of telling me they love me in a month.

I'm not a pushback anymore, and I take care of my needs, I have learned a lot in this past 1.5 year.

My question is, how can I change that projection to be more alpha?

Attached is a picture of me, I'm 5'6" maybe my height doesn't project alpha? Idk I'm very new in all of this dating scene give the fact I focused on studying and creating a good quality of life for me, but never developed girls skills.

Am I doomed? I'll appreciate if you guys tell it how it is and not sugar coat anything cause that way I'll know in what to focus.
PUA Paul Janka boosts a 11% success rate back in the late 90s and early 2000s. That's before modern day social media. That's *pause * being tall and good looking especially in contrast to the majority of the industry. Present day, he's married with a wife and kids. Teaches guys how to make the leap out of the game properly. Boosts a 1/9 success rate in his hay day.

You aren't Janka. If you aren't tall and good looking, you best got other things going and you sure as f better be putting in work sourcing girls. Approach. F OLD. Use it but that's not game.

99% of the the SMP is a dumpster fire full of modern women ran through skanks. Single mom's, prostitutes or escorts (only fans, pay for play, **** ****), female logic, and rubbish. There's 1% you are competing for that are young, attractive, feminine and not out deleting babies. Aren't some leftist psychopath with green hair and fat af. What to do? Source girls. Work volume. Optimize IG and OLD but it is passive dating. Not active. Work active dating by going out and actually getting girls. Get rejected. If noob check out Elliot Hulse collaboration with Owen Cook. Follow 6 steps process. Don't return until you get laid. Avoid boomer pods.
 

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Those were my levels, my free was 8.9, all the hormones we drink from birth control that the water plant can't filter out is making us females in this feminine society.

It should be evey mans duty to check their T levels and optimize them.
Austen Summers bumped a testosterone video. Have a look. Buy a water filtration system. Go reverse osmosis (RO). Avoid plastic bottles. Cut shampoo and store bought soaps. If you cannot pronounce the ingredients nor know wtf it is, it's likely lowering your T. Lift. Sleep 8 hours every night.
 

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Those were my levels, my free was 8.9, all the hormones we drink from birth control that the water plant can't filter out is making us females in this feminine society.

It should be evey mans duty to check their T levels and optimize them.
Holy smokes! 378 on total testosterone. I was just above 750 on my last T test.

Austen Summers bumped a testosterone video. Have a look. Buy a water filtration system. Go reverse osmosis (RO). Avoid plastic bottles. Cut shampoo and store bought soaps. If you cannot pronounce the ingredients nor know wtf it is, it's likely lowering your T. Lift. Sleep 8 hours every night.
Sleep and sex are two of the biggies. Before my last T test, I had only had sex a few days prior, which likely helped. Doing a T test during a sex drought is going to affect the outcome. Weight lifting is the next biggest one after sleep and sex. It's definitely needed.

I could do a better job avoiding the plastics. I likely need to change up my soaps and shampoos.
 

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My question is, how can I change that projection to be more alpha?
Even if you were alpha... Single moms would still act the same way. They need resources quick and will move fast with anyone. If your banging single moms keep it at that... don’t meet her kid... or kids... don’t listen to her ***** about the dad.... don’t let her tell stories about the kid. She’s good for one thing.... my buddy fell in love with a single mom. She wheeled him in... the other day I called him to go grab some beers. He said I’m having a daddy day with Max ( the kid that’s not his)..... him and this chick are not even married. I said ok cool and cringed.... that would be the day I become an adult male babysitter for some other dudes spawn.
 

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Hello brows,

I'm 32, I've been a pathetic nice guy all my life, I've been in this journey to recovery for about 1.5 years, I've got my **** together, have starting to date girls I have never been able to, have gotten way more bold and confident.

I have a house, I'm about 10% income earners, great career, have interesting hobbies, like outdoors activities, play sports, fairly ripped, dance latin music in which I get to meet a lot of girls.

My problem is girls younger won't give the time of day, and women 30+ see me as beta provider, single mothers and not mothers, they wanna take everything super quick to the point of telling me they love me in a month.

I'm not a pushback anymore, and I take care of my needs, I have learned a lot in this past 1.5 year.

My question is, how can I change that projection to be more alpha?

Attached is a picture of me, I'm 5'6" maybe my height doesn't project alpha? Idk I'm very new in all of this dating scene give the fact I focused on studying and creating a good quality of life for me, but never developed girls skills.

Am I doomed? I'll appreciate if you guys tell it how it is and not sugar coat anything cause that way I'll know in what to focus.

You have your **** together. The older we get the higher in value we become (as long as you're on the right path).

Basically all the decent dudes are locked down playing house. If their relationships fail they tend to quickly get into another one and don't stay on the market long.

What's left are the losers. Guys that buy into Disney, that are cringy AF, as they age they become bigger losers, let themselves go and become creepy man children.

You are rare and what these women are dreaming about.

What single middle aged women wouldn't be fighting to lock down a guy in his 30s / 40s who has his **** together to play house with?

It starts from around your age. As you age your competition gets weaker and weaker. ENJOY :)

My only advise is for you to have the realisation. As a guy with his shut together, you ARE a diamond in a pill of turds to these women.
 
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Holy smokes! 378 on total testosterone. I was just above 750 on my last T test.



Sleep and sex are two of the biggies. Before my last T test, I had only had sex a few days prior, which likely helped. Doing a T test during a sex drought is going to affect the outcome. Weight lifting is the next biggest one after sleep and sex. It's definitely needed.

I could do a better job avoiding the plastics. I likely need to change up my soaps and shampoos.
I saw a Austen vlog on t. It's hilarious hearing a guy that does game lean into another area but it was well done. Great tips. It mentioned a study and said your average make was eating absurd amounts of plastic measured in the amount of a series of credit cards. I've been drinking from a reverse osmosis filtration system that pulls out that BS. Tap water is full of rubbish faux/micro estrogen/birth control. Fellas are ultra feminine these days. The lack of guys approaching is a prime example.
 

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I am not really understanding the rationale for discouraging this. There are posters on this forum who have confirmed that having sex (even with the 3s, 4s or 5s) makes him feel stronger and more masculine (increased testosterone) so again I am not understanding why this is discouraged.

What am I missing?
You’re missing the fact that it’s debasing and disgusting. If you could get free oil change at Jiffy Lube by blowing the mechanic, would you do it? I mean you’re not doing anything you’ve never done before and you’re saving yourself some cash. Why not, right?
 

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How does that figure into today? It’s the men who are addicted to sex at whatever cost that are the lowest of all men. These men represent a terrifying investment for women. Why would a woman want to attach herself to a man who would literally fvck anyone?
I think you are on to something fundamentally important here. Desperate sex addicts willing to stoop to new lows are the driving force behind the downfall of our society. Not only do they ruin the reputation for other men but they also give ugly and average women a false sense of entitlement and superiority.

When I see a normal looking guy with an obese or otherwise grotesque female, I automatically lose respect for him. What I see is a shadow of man who has debased himself and succumbed to depravity.
 

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When I see a normal looking guy with an obese or otherwise grotesque female, I automatically lose respect for him. What I see is a shadow of man who has debased himself and succumbed to depravity.
What about men who are incels? They're so pathetic even the fatties wouldn't fvck them right? I'm sure they don't have your respect either? They are definitely shadows of men with their lack of sexual masculinity.
 

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What about men who are incels? They're so pathetic even the fatties wouldn't fvck them right? I'm sure they don't have your respect either? They are definitely shadows of men with their lack of sexual masculinity.
I have more respect for an incel than a whale humper. While I’m not an expert on incels, I suspect that it’s a fairly diverse group that includes men with mental health issues (i.e. autism), socially awkward dudes who were bullied in school, guys who are very short/ugly/physically disabled, etc. In other words, men with legitimate issues preventing them from getting women. Many of them truly can’t do anything to improve their situation and deserve sympathy. A whale humper, on the other hand, deserves no sympathy. He can but won’t do better because of his weakness of character.
 

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He can but won’t do better because of his weakness of character.
Hold on here.... Who says he won't do better? I agree being seen in public with an overweight woman can be counterproductive if there's too much of a gap in smv. Though society DOESN'T have respect for incels. Women detest incels. Every time we talk of banging lower value women the context of it goes from "casting a wider net" to "only targeting".... The guy that is interacting with women (even lower smv ones) is still learning game, while the incel (that's too proud to lower his standards) is just sinking in quicksand. Who might get the 6, then 7, then 8 first?
 

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The guy that is interacting with women (even lower smv ones) is still learning game, while the incel (that's too proud to lower his standards) is just sinking in quicksand. Who might get the 6, then 7, then 8 first?
I don’t see too many real life examples of this. What’s far more likely is a dude who could get a 7 settling for a 4 because it seems like a safe/easy target and then comes to accept 4 as the new normal. How many guys do you know who started out banging land whales and eventually graduated to supermodels?
 

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How many guys do you know who started out banging land whales and eventually graduated to supermodels?
How many incels do you know that landed supermodels? Or even subpar women willing to fvck them? None. Otherwise they wouldn't be incel.

My problem with the "never bang lower tier women" rhetoric is that it's black and white. Many men are in a position where it may be counterproductive to them, though this "never" rhetoric keeps other men incels. If I had listened to that shjt, I wouldn't have 8 months of much needed sexual experience that only grew my confidence. I could have been celibate this whole time otherwise. Far worse off than I am now.
 

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i was way too picky when I was younger and it delayed my experience big time. I turned down one woman in high school that became super hot within a year of graduation, and still is to this day. I missed the entire college dating experience due to entering college as a beta. You need experience to become reactive and subconscious in your game.
Same here. This "too proud" rhetoric also prevented me from even trying due to "being too proud to be rejected". All these dudes talking about "self respect" are happily bending over and lubing up for their bosses everyday. Where's the self respect in that? "Well, I need money DJj", that makes them a male wh0re then......
 

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How many incels do you know that landed supermodels? Or even subpar women willing to fvck them? None. Otherwise they wouldn't be incel.
But that’s another extreme. I’m not advocating having ridiculously high standards (“nine or nothing”). First and foremost, standards have to be realistic. But there is a difference between having realistic standards and dumpster diving. You don’t have to start at the absolute bottom.
 

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But that’s another extreme. I’m not advocating having ridiculously high standards (“nine or nothing”). First and foremost, standards have to be realistic. But there is a difference between having realistic standards and dumpster diving. You don’t have to start at the absolute bottom.
Fatties, and low value women doesn't mean morbidly obese either.
 

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Testosterone is not the end all be all as far as vibe. My test levels are higher than many men. I believe there's something inate in pheromone exchanges that is lasting on each person after heterosexual sex. When I was celibate for an extended time, a 23 year old male co worker sensed it. He said "I dunno, it seems like you haven't had sex in a very long time". If he could sense it, then I'm sure it reeked to females. This is worse for attraction than anything. It automatically dismisses one as a sexual option. This is why I'm so adamant that lower value sex is a better alternative to long periods without, in the name of ego. @mrgoodstuff agrees with me on this, but for some reason is bashful in backing me up.
I've been living. Its a fact in science and bro science that women are more attracted to well seXed men.
 
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