"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Okay. so online on AIM, MSN or whatever.. is it alright for you to be the one to initiate the conversation?

I've been talking to this girl for a while and she usually starts the convo's but not till later in the day, i think she just waits for me to start it, so is it ok if I do it or wait till she says hey?

And when she does say hey, i don't say hey back... right? (mysterious)

any tips?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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bambino said:
Okay. so online on AIM, MSN or whatever.. is it alright for you to be the one to initiate the conversation?

I've been talking to this girl for a while and she usually starts the convo's but not till later in the day, i think she just waits for me to start it, so is it ok if I do it or wait till she says hey?
...seems we have yet another misguided soul on this site. Misguided about the whole "withholding interest" thing, that is.

You probably read somewhere in the DJ Bible that showing interest is a bad thing. However, the truth is that NOT showing interest is even worse. You see, if you show absolutely no interest in her, she'll assume that you're not interested and move on (or as we like to say on this site, she'll NEXT you), because, just like we're taught here on SoSuave, it's useless to pursue someone who isn't interested in you at all.

The reason it says in the Bible that you shouldn't show interest at all is that the Bible tries to fix AFC behaviour by giving overcompensating advice. Most AFCs are used to professing crazy amounts of love to women, which is, of course, a turn off for them. Thus, the Bible tries to correct one extreme with the exact opposite extreme, in order to put you somewhere in the middle. The problem that arises from this, fairly frequently I might add, is that it over-overcompensates, and we end up with people doing their utmost to show absolutely no intersest, which just makes things worse.

So, now you may be wondering how to show interest in a girl without losing your challenge? It's simple: don't show more interest in her than she's showing in you. Give her the impression that you want to take things further with her, but at the same time you still haven't "decided" on her yet. Then, as her interest rises over time, the amount you show can also increase (which is very refreshing, believe me).

In both scenarios, you're on the other side of a fence. The difference is that when you show some interest, but not as much as her, the fence is a wooden one, whereas if you show no interest at all, the fence is electrically charged. With barbed wire at the top. And snipers all over the place. And land mines on the other side. You get the point :D.

bambino said:
And when she does say hey, i don't say hey back... right? (mysterious)
Would you like it if you said hi to her online and she snuffed you? No, you wouldn't. That would just be plain rude.

If she initiates the conversation, that's a GOOD sign, bro! A lot of girls virtually NEVER initiate, even if they're interested! Capitalize on this whenever it happens.

And btw, mysteriousness is also harmful when taken too seriously. Essentially, all it means is that you should leave her somewhat wondering about what you do in your social life when she's not around. For example, do NOT withhold information about sports or activities you're involved in (it's good for her to hear about these things), but DO be vague about who you chilled with on Saturday night, or about the party you went to on Friday. If you can do it without it looking contrived, mention a girl's name when you talk about one of these things, and say nothing more about her. If she asks you about the girl (this will almost always take the form of "so who is Jenny?", or something like that), just say, "Oh, she's a friend", in a flimsy way that may imply that Jenny is another girl you're seeing, but doesn't really answer anything like that.
 

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You is the shiz, holmes.

Yeah... agreed. Great to see another person here that sees the stupid extremes this site tells people to do.
 

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Why don't you just ignore her completely for 2 years and then ask her out?
 

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And when she does say hey, i don't say hey back... right? (mysterious)
HAHAHA, that's the second most funniest shiit I've heard today. :crackup::crackup::moon:

Rock On Brother :rockon:
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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haha thanks guys...

i know i may sound like a retard but i got it going right.. i was just a little confused on this online chatting thing

:up:
 

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I always let the girl say hi first :p but that can only be done with a girl interested in you, after youve go the attraction up and theres some sort of connection there.. not with a girl you just met cause she just wont care.
 

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Here's what works for me:

When i first get some girls screen name, i'd always start the conversation, chat it up for a little, keep things fun and a little crazy, normally involve a story of something funny that has happened that pertains to the topic, ask her a stupid question that means nothing at all (I.E. Which do you preffer? Sweet or Spicy? Then they say one or the other, wondering why i'd ask such a wierd question, and then tell em that it has deep meaning that tells them everything you need to know about em) and make her think it is really deep then refuse to reveal what it means, make her wonder who or what exactly is running through my head and then end the conversation first.

The next couple conversations are the same, make sure to keep things interesting.

Eventually she will associate your screen name with having a great engaging and hilarious conversation. By then she'll start initiating things. Once she does that you're IN. If she doesn't ever initiate you are losing pal. Simple as that.
 

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I usually reply back quickly to messages. I believe in letting the conversation flow. so one of my pet peeves is girls who take 5 mins to respond. I say "This seem like a bad time for you. have a good day/night"

in terms of msging first. I always do for the first conversation. and make sure the first conversation is great and leave on a high note (next step is doing this in person ;) ) usually the second convo (sometime in the next few nights), I let them message me first, to see if they "bite"... if they dont, I'll wait a few days, then start another convo. rinse and repeat

demonstrating your interest is important, but its also important to give her the chance to "bite" and demonstrate hers (after I demonstrate mine, which is why I expect her to start the second convo) while many girls wont initiate, online convos are very low-risk, which is why girls like to use them. (just dont make the whole relationship about online convos)
 

Michele l'Arcangelo

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I cannot talk online... i used to have 10 IM Windows up and think i was the coolest... that was back in 5th grade...

A girl says "So0o0o what are you doing?"

Me "Talking to like 10 people... my screen is full of IM windows"

lol... kids... lame...

Anyways.

Online chat was cool in like... '98 or something... it's only fine now to use it if you're talking long distance... quick chat... ask for something... make plans... or send ( . )( . ) pictures and cyber with people.

Fo sho, guys, fo sho?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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i do agree wit micky(Michele, l' Arcangelo) Back in 7th grade yea that was the shizit to be talkin to a chick on the net but ur in high school get the *****'s number call her if you wanna talk. AIM convos are ok here and there but dont make it a habbit to takl more on the net than in person or on the phone so next time you talk to this girl get her number call her or make plans and hang out wit her DAMN! And take this from someone that used to only talk to chicks online even the ones from you school its lame doesnt work and makes you less confident when you talk to her in person.
 

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If shes taking 5 minutes to reply just say something like:

"Could you reply faster, I know you like me and are trying to do the whole 'hard to get' thing, but you can't impress me if you dont say anything!"

also, if youre using MSN (dont know about other programs) make use of the Block function, you dont want her to see you online all night - even on weekdays. i know that most people dont do much on weekdays anyway, but if u wanna stand out from the crowd - just make sure she doesnt see you online 24/7 = she'll then either think you take part in lots of clubs/activites or that you spend all your time doing homework - but its usually the former!

so ideally you want to initiate the first convo, keep it very high quality, very funny, very witty - cut out small talk and try and come up with a nickname for her which she likes. if she laughs at the nickname then keep using it, everytime u start a convo call her that and she will associate it with you.

then move it to phone, ring her up and say "hey <nickname>" and she will remember the good feelings she got from the funny convos she had with you on MSN

that way, you havent wasted all that communication and have used it to make her feel comfortable before youve even gone out with her!
 

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A lot of good points here. Id agree with a few of you out there in saying her IMing you first is good, but id IM her once in a while to show you are interested in her (girls dont rly chase guys too long) anyway I enjoy a good online convo with girls from other schools. If you can't do it in person, IMing seems like a good way to be social to me without all of the awkwardness that can come from a long phone convo. You can easily say you have to leave quickly during a slow down online but lying on the phone to a girl (possibly the greatest bs detector ever) can be a little tricky. I avoid phone convos like the plague. Just a quick how do you do and set up a meeting.
But im sure everyone can agree that talking live in person is the best option.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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