Yea which is more important. Lets take an environment where social proof/status is big - school (HS or college). Which guy would have more success. A really good looking/muscular/whatever guy that got chicks checking him out, with no social status at all - known as a loner maybe, only a few friends, not life of party kind of guy, maybe quiet at times. Or a ugly guy that doesn't really ever turn heads, girls don't notice him, just by looks, but with a alot of friends, life of the party kind of guy, well known, and social.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Which is more important looks or social status?
- Thread starter GVdrink
- Start date
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Remulak
Senior Don Juan
The guy with social status to answer your question, women are attracted to good-looking men because of the social status they assume you bring with it. Many women will drop a good-looking guy once they find out he has no social status or anything else to offer.
It depends on the culture. Looks are only important at the start but if you are a loser, you can forget about keeping a 10. The key here is that good looking people usually have every other attribute women find attractive. Confidence, social status, ****y, playful etc... except for maybe witty and intelligence.
Social Status is very important to women but its harder to demonstrate. If you cannot create attraction (playful teasing, chemistry connection, manlyness), then Social Status is worthless. Life of the party can quickly be Clown of the party. However, social proof will make her interested in who you are and what you bring to the table. You just have to make sure you keep her interested.
So in a nutshell, if you are a good looking guy it is much easier. I feel its more important if you are born with it. If you are not a good looking guy but have social proof, then you have your work cut out for you. Becoming well groomed, playful and acting confidently will work wonders for you but you have much more work than the good looking guy who most likely naturally gained these attributes.
Social Status is very important to women but its harder to demonstrate. If you cannot create attraction (playful teasing, chemistry connection, manlyness), then Social Status is worthless. Life of the party can quickly be Clown of the party. However, social proof will make her interested in who you are and what you bring to the table. You just have to make sure you keep her interested.
So in a nutshell, if you are a good looking guy it is much easier. I feel its more important if you are born with it. If you are not a good looking guy but have social proof, then you have your work cut out for you. Becoming well groomed, playful and acting confidently will work wonders for you but you have much more work than the good looking guy who most likely naturally gained these attributes.
War Against Betaism
Master Don Juan
Social status
Monkey
Master Don Juan
Looks.
Social status means nothing.
Social status means nothing.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Monkey
Master Don Juan
If you don't pass her looks criteria, all the 'social status' in the world means absolutely nothing.
It depends on what kind of social status you're on about. If you're on about being in some super cool social group with a ton of hot girls then yes it's a big advantage. But most people just have some regular friends and go out sometimes, so therefore looks/game etc. tend to matter more. It also depends on the uni you go to etc. If there are frats and whatnot and american-pie style partying then you'd probably be expected to take part, else it's anti-social = loser. But at an academic uni like Harvard/MIT etc. there aren't really 'it crowds' and 'super cool cliques' so it's different.
MM
MM
WesCottII
Master Don Juan
I think in HS, looks and social status ARE mutually exclusive. You don't tend to find one, without the other.
Outside......I'd say social status.
Outside......I'd say social status.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
- Status
- Not open for further replies.