"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Which is better Number or MSN

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Originally posted by I_Wanna_Learn
Oh I have no doubt that i have to call in order to get things moving but i'm just wondering if people find girls more willing to give out msn first rather then phone number. If i did go for the msn first i'd pretty quickly move onto getting the phone number
depends on the enviroment dude... where you meet the chick .... the less intimate and less friendly the surroundings are, the less risky you have to make it for her
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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true|hockey

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Most have said it, but i'll chime in anyway.

I'd get number first and foremost. Firstly, it puts me in direct communication with the girl. later on, ill get IM name or whatever, only after I have the number.

Not like ive been getting too many numbers lately, but still
 

Tempest

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i disagree with a lot of this. there's NOTHING WRONG WITH GETTING THE EMAIL ADDRESS. it's no big deal. you guys are interpretting it way too much and thinking "oh i will come off WEAK and she won't like me if i ask for her email, wah wah." who cares? it's not a big deal.

personally, i like getting the e-mails. it's EASIER. it's safe. it's fun. she has no risk if she gives out her e-mail. in fact, she's probably USED to having guys asking for her number, and if anything will wonder "why the hell is he asking for my email?" e-mail is better because it gives you the opportunity to FOLLOW UP afterwards. i'm not that strong in my intitial approaches with them. i still have nervous ticks i'm trying to get rid of.

if she's interested in you and she gives you her email, GREAT. she won't block you, you have nothing to worry about, and you can maintain that attraction.

if she's not interested and gives you her e-mail, GREAT. when you add her to msn/email her, you now have ANOTHER opportunity to follow up and make her think "wait a second, maybe this guy is a LOT cooler than i thought!" if she blocks you, WHO CARES. you're rejected, big deal, you had your shot, move onto the next e-mail.

spend 5-10 minutes talking to her online, get her number, and you're right where you want to be.

there's no big difference in asking for a number and asking for email. they're both ways of communication, but email is just interpreted as lower risk which makes her more willing to stay in touch with you. like i said, i'm much better at following up with email. one line which i like to use from deangelo is, "if anything else, sounds like you'll make a GREAT friend." it'll drive her nutz especially since you've started with just her e-mail.

if she's not interested, i like to simply say, "that's fine, sounds like you'll make a GREAT friend. and your first job as my new friend is to introduce me to all your hot, single girlfriends."

you will get better results, trust me.
 

diplomatic_lie

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Isn't MSN requiring both people to be on, at the same time?
 
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The 'home' phone number is the most direct 'permanent' connection to her - this is what you want - and if she gives it to you freely, then you have made 'the' closest connection to her and you have the greatest of all opportinities to 'win' her!!!
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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MrBond_Age

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Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
The 'home' phone number is the most direct 'permanent' connection to her - this is what you want - and if she gives it to you freely, then you have made 'the' closest connection to her and you have the greatest of all opportinities to 'win' her!!!
You know what? Ill prolly write a complete guide to dating and ill make it as simple and light as possible. I do not beleive all the BS going on and its my sincere beleif that I have to at least contribute a bit more in order to balance the scale on the right way.

I know I currently have a low post count but beleive me Ive been around here for at least 2 years with on/off periods of 6 months or so and I used different accounts. I cant beleive how downhill things go right now. MSM......wtf!!!??!111!1one!!

At least when I read your stuff I know Im not alone.
 

becker

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To me, it's awkward to ask for an e-mail if you see her in person. Rule of thumb for me is phone number if in person, but e-mail if you meet the gal online, then phone number. I've usually gotten them to give me their number without asking for it after chatting on IM or something if it is online.

It definitely looks weak if you ask for e-mail in person probably more so because it makes it seem like you're sitting in front of the computer all day. It's all about perception, and women can definitely do a pretty screwed up job of interpreting things the way they want regardless of what you think, so I'd say be careful. It's not a fair world and she will look at you a certain way and you'll have no say in the matter.
 
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