Where is Ketosix?

[speakeasy]

I'd love to hear your response to this link:
http://www.livescience.com/culture/090604-white-men-pay.html

 

[ketostix]

white men in America on average still get paid more than women and minorities for doing the same work, by some accounts about 20 to 25 percent more.

I don't think much of anything about the "study" because I know it's flagrantly false. Funny how in reality and every case I eye-witnessed women were being payed better for less work and responsibility. No business is going to pay a white male more for the same job and same performance, that goes against their main agenda to lower labor costs. Second it is unlawful and no business would risk paying a white male more than a woman or black person for the same job classification/performance because the EEO agency investigators are like radical zealots ran by women and minorities and a few token white males who are just as liberal. I put this study about on par with some propaganda LMS would post.

The study was right about one thing white males do their jobs competently and objectively. People know a minority or female likely has a chip on their shoulder, sort of like you do, and gives disparate service depending upon the gender and ethnicity of the customer. WMs should be payed more if they have higher qualifications. do their job objectively and have higher customer satisfaction but they are not being paid more. Also, people's perception don't need to be changed to some PC perception. That perception is there for good reason.

You are so ethno-centric and blind to the reality most white males face. The reality is so different from what you imagine. A lot of wms are being pushed out into the country and the backwaters and in the hills to find work because the cities are so favorable to women and minorities. This "study" as far as I'm concerned is just an example of the racist propaganda in the mainstream.

 

[speakeasy]

You responded just the way I predicted. Lol.

In the study, researchers at four business schools showed study subjects a video featuring either a black male, a white female, or a white male actor playing the role of an employee helping a customer. Those viewing the white male were 19 percent more satisfied with the employee's performance, and they were also more satisfied with the store's cleanliness and appearance.
But the actors demonstrated the same scripted behaviors, and the store background, camera angles and lighting were identical.

What do you think about this? That people when shown a video that is identical in every way except for the races, the white male was still preferred? And I guess you think this has no implication on pay scales? You outright deny that studies show that there is disparity between different groups pay even when you take into account experience and background. You deny it just because you don't like the outcome and refuse to admit that white males have the advantage in society.

Dude you should read some essays by Tim Wise(and he is a white man, btw) on the subject of white privilege, because you are so clueless on the subject it's laughable. If you ever want some education: http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/essayarchive.html though I won't hold my breath.

 

[ketostix]

You responded just the way I predicted. Lol.


What do you think about this? That people when shown a video that is identical in every way except for the races, the white male was still preferred? And I guess you think this has no implication on pay scales? You outright deny that studies show that there is disparity between different groups pay even when you take into account experience and background. You deny it just because you don't like the outcome and refuse to admit that white males have the advantage in society.

This is a bogus study for a lot of reasons. First off, I bet the audience was primarily white male being a business college class. What if I showed the same video to a class of predominately females or blacks or minorities? I'll bet you anything the class would prefer the women or minority way higher than by 19%, probably like 80%. That's what happens whenever a black person runs for office, he gets 90%+ of black voters' support. So what does this all prove besides the fact that women and minorities are more prejudice and professors at colleges set up bogus studies to prove their PC/liberal viewpoint?

Another thing you are missing is maybe the white performers in the video did a much better presentation even if it was a scripted presentation? Gee, maybe the white performers acted a lot better and deserved a higher approval rating? Maybe since it's pretty obvious to me that the study was agenda driven they stacked the deck and purposely made sure the women and minorities presented a bad performance? I haven't seen the video so who knows.

Dude you should read some essays by Tim Wise(and he is a white man, btw) on the subject of white privilege, because you are so clueless on the subject it's laughable. If you ever want some education: http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/essayarchive.html though I won't hold my breath.

I'm not interested in reading some white male feminist/"minority" rights collaborator. Maybe you should read the Myth of Male Power by Warren Farrel (sp?) who is a white male formerly involved in the NOW. It focus on gender but the minority rights activist are pretty much identical in tactics to the feminists.

 

[speakeasy]

This is a bogus study for a lot of reasons. First off, I bet the audience was primarily white male being a business college class. What if I showed the same video to a class of predominately females or blacks or minorities? I'll bet you anything the class would prefer the women or minority way higher than by 19%, probably like 80%.

It's laughable that everything you reply is based on your personal assumptions(bolded) stung together as if these assumptions are substitutes for facts, rather than any actual studies that back up what you say.

That's what happens whenever a black person runs for office, he gets 90%+ of black voters' support.

Oh really? I guess you weren't aware that early in the campaign, most blacks supported Hillary over Obama, were you? I bet you forget that blacks have voted over 90% for Gore and for Bill Clinton too right? It has nothing to do with race, but has to do with supporting the democratic party overwhelming. Blacks vote in large number for white candidates all the time, so don't give me that crap.

So what does this all prove besides the fact that women and minorities are more prejudice and professors at colleges set up bogus studies to prove their PC/liberal viewpoint?

Show me a similar study that proves your point. And also show me how whatever point you prove ends up meaning that blacks are priveleged in society. You see EVEN IF, you could prove that blacks are biased in favor of other blacks, it has NO EFFECT on white income whatsover. Whereas the reverse is not true. Every black person in America could hate you with a seething passion, and it would have zero impact on the life of the average white American, whereas the reverse is not true. And it's always been that way.

Another thing you are missing is maybe the white performers in the video did a much better presentation even if it was a scripted presentation? Gee, maybe the white performers acted a lot better and deserved a higher approval rating? Maybe since it's pretty obvious to me that the study was agenda driven they stacked the deck and purposely made sure the women and minorities presented a bad performance? I haven't seen the video so who knows.

More assumptions based upon absolutely nothing. You can't accept that fact that white males have privilege in society, you psychologically, you have to deny any study as biased that would indicate its existence.

I'm not interested in reading some white male feminist/"minority" rights collaborator.

Thanks for acknowleging that you are closed minded to any view but your own.

Maybe you should read the Myth of Male Power by Warren Farrel (sp?) who is a white male formerly involved in the NOW. It focus on gender but the minority rights activist are pretty much identical in tactics to the feminists.

Tell you what, find me an article of his online that you recommend and I will read it with an open mind, if you agree to do the same with one of Tim Wise's articles.

 

[ketostix]

It's laughable that everything you reply is based on your personal assumptions(bolded) stung together as if these assumptions are substitutes for facts, rather than any actual studies that back up what you say.

You're the one assuming here. I'll take my eye-witnessed experience over your bogus studies that counter what I've eye-witnessed any day.

Oh really? I guess you weren't aware that early in the campaign, most blacks supported Hillary over Obama, were you? I bet you forget that blacks have voted over 90% for Gore and for Bill Clinton too right? It has nothing to do with race, but has to do with supporting the democratic party overwhelming. Blacks vote in large number for white candidates all the time, so don't give me that crap.

I don't agree with that. The blacks supported Obama by a huge margin. Sure they will support a white candidate who is willing to give them preferential treatment and sell out whites if that's all that's available.

Show me a similar study that proves your point. And also show me how whatever point you prove ends up meaning that blacks are priveleged in society. You see EVEN IF, you could prove that blacks are biased in favor of other blacks, it has NO EFFECT on white income whatsover. Whereas the reverse is not true. Every black person in America could hate you with a seething passion, and it would have zero impact on the life of the average white American, whereas the reverse is not true. And it's always been that way.

Well this is all BS. AA is the real life proof that blacks are privileged. And you are so wrong it's not funny. It's women and minorities pushing and supporting all this stuff kind of like you constantly do here.. It doesn't make a difference that whites are enforcing that agenda. That's just more evidence that whites do not stick together or give privilege to each other. You know damn well because of PC the truth can't be told and no one is going to show a study that is disfavorable to women and minorities. It's called Politically Correct for a reason. Something is either correct or it's not. If something is politically correct then by default it is biased and not based on the facts or truth.

More assumptions based upon absolutely nothing. You can't accept that fact that white males have privilege in society, you psychologically, you have to deny any study as biased that would indicate its existence.

Because there's no credible proof that whites are privileged. Maybe whites perform better? That's not being privileged. That's called accomplished.

Thanks for acknowleging that you are closed minded to any view but your own.

No I'm closed-minded to a completely debunked PC agenda. Reality shows that these PC beliefs are false.

Tell you what, find me an article of his online that you recommend and I will read it with an open mind, if you agree to do the same with one of Tim Wise's articles.

You know what, you could find a sh!t load of evidence that explains why black people have the problems they do. Rampant degrees of absent fathers, high crime and std rates, low graduation rates etc. But you know you're not going to find an article that puts responsibilty for their economic situation on their behavior. You know damn well the media is PC and not about facts, so incidentally who is being privileged by that? I don't know what you think I need to prove to you. I don't need to prove to you that there's AA, quotas, PC etc. That would be like me being asked to prove feminism exists. The burden is on you to prove how is it that the more successful white people who don't engage in the behaviors typical in the black community is privilege and not merit and being responsible. Your mentality is if a white male accomplishes something it's because of privilege, but if a minority fails to accomplish it's not because of their own actions or behavior. And I guess white people are holding down blacks in Africa where there are no whites too. Reality clearly shows that most of black people's situation is their responsibility not anyone else's. I have no interest in trying to prove that to you. A white person who behaves as a poor black person does will be just as poor and disadvantaged. There is no privilege based solely upon being white.

 

[OTB]

That's what happens whenever a black person runs for office, he gets 90%+ of black voters' support.

Oh really? I guess you weren't aware that early in the campaign, most blacks supported Hillary over Obama, were you?

I'm gonna have to weigh in on the side of truth in this matter & in this case, ketostix is much closer to it...

To clarify, Barack Hussien Obama actually got over 95 percent of the black vote in this presidential election.

Secondly, your little point of bringing up the fact that the majority of blacks supported Hillary early on in the campagain season has no relevance to this argument whatsoever.

There is a specific reason for that. They chose to pledge their support towards her as a result of not believing that their compatriot even had a chance of winning. Only about twenty percent of registered democrats (an even smaller amount of people on a national scale) knew who the hell Barack Obama was early on in the election cycle...

But, this all changed as soon as Barack Obama was on par with Hillary. The black community abondoned her and almost immedietly began zealously supporting the one with whom they identified with - mainly on the basis of color.


For more proof of this, feel free to click on the link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViWsmEHsbEs&feature=related

 

[speakeasy]

You're the one assuming here. I'll take my eye-witnessed experience over your bogus studies that counter what I've eye-witnessed any day.

I don't know what your education level is, but anyone should know that a study that samples a wide of people with varying experiences is more reliable than the anecdote of one person such as yourself. Because #1, your own biases can taint the way you perceive the world and there's nothing controversial about that. And number 2, a personal anecdote is like taking a study with a sampling pool of one. You don't need to take a college level statistics class to know that you cannot trust a sampling pool of one person. So frankly, I could care less what you have personally eyewitnessed, hell there are people who claim they have eye-witnessed Elvis walking around alive and really believe it. But that doesn't make the claim accurate. I'd trust a scientifically conducted survey with a wide sample of people and control groups than what one angry guy spouts out.

I don't agree with that. The blacks supported Obama by a huge margin.

Don't agree with what? That blacks vote for democrats by a huge margin regardless of the race of the candidate. Quit being lazy. Look up the voting stats. Every Democratic candidate gets more than 90% of the black vote, even the white ones, so saying race had something to do with it is bull. Do you think if a right-wing black like Alan Keyes ran for president that blacks would vote for him? Hell no they wouldn't. It's got nothing to do with race. When Al Sharpton threw his name in the hat, most blacks viewed it as joke. How many blacks supported Cynthia McKinney? Virtually none. So stop with your uneducated crap.

Well this is all BS. AA is the real life proof that blacks are privileged.

Is this a sick joke? Please tell me this guy is joking. The very fact that AA exist is to f-cking COUNTER the fact that blacks are UN-privileged as a legacy of 400 years of slavery and systematic oppression.

And you are so wrong it's not funny. It's women and minorities pushing and supporting all this stuff kind of like you constantly do here..

Whoa, your ignorance is showing once again:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n14_v88/ai_17210269/

The poll of 1,208 adults, including 299 Blacks, also found that 66 percent of Blacks and 53 percent of Whites say affirmative action has been good for the country.

You need to stop generalizing. As you can see 66% of blacks feel that AA has been good for the country. that still means that about 1/3 feels that it hasn't, and that is not an insignificant number, which means there are varying views. And 53% of whites think it has been good for the country, which means whites are roughly divided down the middle. So I think you need to stop putting minorities into this box where we all support and whites into another box that supposedly all oppose it. The truth is more complex, although simplistic minds don't like complexity.

Because there's no credible proof that whites are privileged.

Look Ketosix, there is literally decades upon decades of quality research done by economists, scientists, sociologists and historians both past and present that prove the existence of white privilege in society. I'm not even going to continue belaboring this point with you because like every debate we end up in, it just goes in circles no matter how many facts I give you because you simply are stuck in your world view and refuse to budge, or even be open-minded enough to consider that your beliefs may be in error.

I have already given you a link to an essay archive by Tim Wise that documents pretty factually and analytically how white privilege exists in society. His research is pretty top notch. If you're too lazy or too in denial to even bother to read it because you've already decided he must be wrong because he sees the world different than you, then you are hopelessly close-minded and there's simply no point in discussing anything further with you.

Maybe whites perform better? That's not being privileged. That's called accomplished.

You are so clueless it's painful. I'm talking about comparing like to like. Obviously I'm not comparing black dropouts in the f-cking ghetto to whites with masters degrees. Fool. I'm comparing blacks to whites with similiar credentials. All studies show that even when you control for similiar backgrounds, the white person is more likely to have the advantage in society.

No I'm closed-minded to a completely debunked PC agenda. Reality shows that these PC beliefs are false.

Bullsh*t. Show me some studies with measurable data that prove that blacks are privileged in society. Show me some studies that show whites are more likely to be harassed by cops. Or that whites have a higher unemploymet rates than blacks, or that whites make less money on average than blacks. For all the privilege you claim blacks have in society, show me some measurable data that PROVES IT. Rather than your own twisted view of reality. Surely if this is reality, someone must have a study proving such.

You know what, you could find a sh!t load of evidence that explains why black people have the problems they do. Rampant degrees of absent fathers, high crime and std rates, low graduation rates etc.

As I said earlier in this reply, I'm comparing like to like. Obviously if you live in the ghetto and dropped out of school and got knocked up, well it's obvious why you're that situation and I don't feel the least bit sorry for people who f*ck their own lives up due to no fault but their own. I'm talking about blacks who have gone to school, graduate from college, and live decent lives and who still get f*cked with. Look at what happened to the distinguished Harvard Professor, Henry Louis Gates last week as an example. You think tha sh*t would've happened if he was a white man?? Hell no.

And I guess white people are holding down blacks in Africa where there are no whites too.

WTF does Africa have to do with the situation in America. Most black Americans don't even know anybody in Africa nor have ever even visited. That's like bringing up the situation in Russia as some argument against what's going on in white America. Unless you are so racist as to simply see black faces in Africa and think blacks in America and blacks in Africa are all one monolithic group.

Reality clearly shows that most of black people's situation is their responsibility not anyone else's.

Keep in mind, whites were saying the exact same thing during the Jim Crow era. Whites have a tendency to deny institutional racism, even when it's blatently obvious, such as early last century.

I have no interest in trying to prove that to you. A white person who behaves as a poor black person does will be just as poor and disadvantaged.

Not JUST AS, but yes, they will be poor. They will not be disadvantaged because of their race. People often point to poor whites in Appalacia and forget that there are poor blacks in Appalacia who are EVEN POORER than the whites and also have the face the double whammy of not only poverty and lack of opportunity but living in one of the most redneck regions of the country where racism is even more intense.

There is no privilege based solely upon being white.

 

[speakeasy]

Continued...

September 13, 2008, 12:01 pm

By Tim Wise
For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.
White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.
White privilege is when you can call yourself a “****in’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll “kick their ****in' ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot ****” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.
White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.
White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”

White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s--while if you're black and believe in reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), you're a dangerous and mushy liberal who isn't fit to safeguard American institutions.

White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.

White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto is “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and the fact that she lives near Russia, you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.

White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”

White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.

White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is unquestionable, and whose "next door neighbor" qualities make her ready to be VP, while if you're a black candidate for president and you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you're irresponsibly exploiting them.
White privilege is being able to give a 36-minute speech in which you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for being too vague about what he would do if elected.
White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.

White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.

White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school, then to Yale and Harvard Business School (George W. Bush), and still be seen as an "average guy," while being black, going to a prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and then Harvard Law, makes you "uppity" and a snob who probably looks down on regular folks.
White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your college class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.), and that's OK, and you're still cut out to be president, but if you're black and you graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you can't be trusted to make good decisions in office.
White privilege is being able to dump your first wife after she's disfigured in a car crash so you can take up with a multi-millionaire beauty queen (who you then go on to call the c-word in public) and still be thought of as a man of strong family values, while if you're black and married for nearly 20 years to the same woman, your family is viewed as un-American and your gestures of affection for each other are called "terrorist fist bumps."
White privilege is when you can develop a pain-killer addiction, having obtained your drug of choice illegally like Cindy McCain, go on to beat that addiction, and everyone praises you for being so strong, while being a black guy who smoked pot a few times in college and never became an addict means people will wonder if perhaps you still get high, and even ask whether or not you may have sold drugs at some point.
White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements with them, makes you dangerously naive and immature.
White privilege is being able to say that you hate "gooks" and "will always hate them," and yet, you aren't a racist because, ya know, you were a POW, so you're entitled to your hatred, while being black and noting that black anger about racism is understandable, given the history of your country, makes you a dangerous bigot.
White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among the "lesser adversities" faced by other politicians, as Sarah Palin explained in her convention speech.
And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain…

White privilege is, in short, the problem.

 

[speakeasy]

To clarify, Barack Hussien Obama actually got over 95 percent of the black vote in this presidential election.

I'm aware of how much of the black vote Obama got. And my point is, the democratic candidate gets upward of 90% of the black vote no matter who the candidate is. So if Gore got 92% and Obama got 95%, what the hell are we saying? that that extra 3% of the black community is racist? Uhhh, okay, I guess. It would be one thing if blacks were evenly split down the line and then miraculously then all of a sudden voted for Obama unanimously, but the point is, they vote for democrats unanimously anyway. Were many blacks proud to vote for a black president. Of course. Why wouldn't they be? If whites were living under black oppression for 400 years and all the presidents had been black and the minority of whites had a white president running, you telling me that whites wouldn't have seen that as a welcome change, especially when these whites have been fighting for centuries to have full political and economic inclusion in the society?

Secondly, your little point of bringing up the fact that the majority of blacks supported Hillary early on in the campagain season has no relevance to this argument whatsoever.

It does. Because Ketosix is trying to make the implication that most blacks will automatically support a black candidate over a white. Most blacks didn't support Jesse Jackson when he ran back in the 80s, they didn't support Al Sharpton. Most blacks would not vote for a Clarence Thomas or other conservative Republican black. I don't think blacks are so simple-minded as to see a black face ane reflexively vote for it, as Ketosix is trying to make us look. Barack Obama is so popular because he embodies the political and social beliefs that most blacks already hold, but also has wide appeal to other races as well, including liberal whites. He also is a very smart guy with a great education background, seems squeeky clean as far as his family life and morals(unlike Bill Clinton, John Edwards, McCain(who called his wife a c*nt in public). They are that accomplished black family that represents a lot of middle class black America that often gets ignored because people view blacks as all being ghetto. That's why so many blacks take great personal pride in him. And he's the first. Now that doesn't mean that any jerkoff with a black face can run and blacks will automatically fall in line and vote for him. He has to prove himself.

I don't deny for a second that race had something to do with the enthusiasm that blacks had for Obama, but because race had something to with it doesn't mean it was racist in nature. Anymore than the strong white female support for Hillary(or the wild support of Palin for the conservative white females) was sexism against men, which is laughable. Most white women aren't going to vote for some bimbo running for president and they'd rather vote for a man in that case, but if a serious white female candidate is running, they are probably going to be enthusiastic about it, not because they hate men, but because 100% of this countries leaders since it's inception have ALL been men, and they want to break barriers down. And who can blame them?? It's no different with blacks. They wanted to see barriers broken down in a country where 100% of presidents have been white even though there's always been a substantial non-white population that has been locked out of higher power positions due to historical racism. To just act like blacks supporting the black candidate in this context is somehow "racist" is just nonsense. And if you believe that, you'd have to believe that most white females are sexist against white males for enthusiastically supporting Hillary as well as Palin.

 

[Son of anarchy]

Day after day im happy and more happy to be born in Europe,this is a fascist place too but the problem is people vs gov and not people vs people with gov pushing tension among them to get even more advantage from the social tensions.
Anyway i find it ridicolous to hear two men from two different groups complaining that they are treated worse than the other,can i suggest to both to try to see the point of the other and find a deal where somebody is taking advantage of both of you while you argue due to his agenda?

@speakeasy:have you ever heard the term "politically correct",imagine if you say that you are proud to be black and somebody came and call you racist and tell you that what you really mean is that you are happy to dont be white.
Well it happen often to white men,most of them are afraid even to say white when choosing their car in the shop,freedom of speech is no longer a granted right.

@ketostix:If you knew that everybody before your grandfather have been enslaved and toke by chains in your city to work under a white owner would you just accept somebody telling you: "oh c'mon mate its an old thing,now we are all made equal and you dont have anything to be afraid from us",would you just think that its fine and done?
And most of all,would you be sure that his words are real and work for everybody in every place and that nobody still consider you the son of a slave and must be treated as one?

No offence guys its not my intention to be rude,im just trying to suggest to both of you to try to get the point of the other and tell you something.
Its not black people that try to jail a white men for a word neither are white men to take advantage of the problems of the black people.
Its the ruling elitè that dont care about you all but themselves,the same people that want women to have the money through alimony so they can get those money selling useless stuff to them.
As i said an other time its not white vs black or men vs women,it should be people who loves freedom againts those who loves power.

 

[speakeasy]

@speakeasy:have you ever heard the term "politically correct",imagine if you say that you are proud to be black and somebody came and call you racist and tell you that what you really mean is that you are happy to dont be white.
Well it happen often to white men,most of them are afraid even to say white when choosing their car in the shop,freedom of speech is no longer a granted right.

I sure have heard of the term, and despite what some may think, I actually can't stand political correctness. To me, political correctness means people being afraid to say things because it might offend someone. I defend people's right to speak their mind regardless of the perspective it comes from.

 

[ketostix]

http://www.adversity.net/fed_stats/OPM2003/opm2003_MainFrame.htm

http://www.adversity.net/c23_tbd.htm

 

[speakeasy]

http://www.adversity.net/fed_stats/OPM2003/opm2003_MainFrame.htm

http://www.adversity.net/c23_tbd.htm

Those white professors won their lawsuit:
http://www.adversity.net/c23_02_profs_win.htm

Cases where people are given pay raises on account of race is virtually unheard of. You happened to have dug up a rare exception, which ended up being overturned anyway. Most the time, affirmative action only influences hiring, not giving out pay raises. I hope you don't think this one exceptional situation somehow "proves" that whites are "victims" of racism in America. That's as laughable as thinking men are the victims of sexism in society, or that Christians are the victims of religious intolerance.






Addendum - This is my 10th post with this moronic 10 post a day forum rule. So I cannot reply anymore today. Good night folks.

 

[ketostix]

Those white professors won their lawsuit:
http://www.adversity.net/c23_02_profs_win.htm

Cases where people are given pay raises on account of race is virtually unheard of. You happened to have dug up a rare exception, which ended up being overturned anyway. Most the time, affirmative action only influences hiring, not giving out pay raises. I hope you don't think this one exceptional situation somehow "proves" that whites are "victims" of racism in America. That's as laughable as thinking men are the victims of sexism in society, or that Christians are the victims of religious intolerance.

Nice try, I only posted a couple examples from that site. There are a boatload more of them there. And the majority of "reverse" discrimination doesn't make it to court let alone result in a victory for the plaintiff. You left out the part of how many times they had to take a rock solid case to court and how many years it took to get their victory too. There's a lot more info on there and examples of preferential hiring, raises and contracts, and private sector programs given to "minorities". You are as bad as LMS with this ethno-centric propaganda. The facts are clear that only women and minorities are receiving an institutionalized and societal preference.

It's clear your mindset is that white males are privileged and "minorities" are not. So the solution is to unprivilege white males more and privilege your preferred race more. Well I don't agree with that and since I'm not in the prefered race and gender, naturally I find it threatening and offensive.

 

[Luthor Rex]

If businesses could get away with paying women and minorities less money for the same quality work, then large groups of white men would be unemployed.

 

[Captain Harlock]

coudln't agree more with Son of anarchy. Americans shouldn't be standing against each other but against the oppressing elite. Everyone is being screwed by the huge wealth inequality, the joke of a justice system and the cost of education and healthcare and wars based on lies.

 

[Luthor Rex]

I'm not interested in reading some white male feminist/"minority" rights collaborator. Maybe you should read the Myth of Male Power by Warren Farrel (sp?) who is a white male formerly involved in the NOW. It focus on gender but the minority rights activist are pretty much identical in tactics to the feminists.

Here's the thing, women are not a minority:

15-64 years: 67% (male 102,665,043/female 103,129,321)

 

[ready123]

I knew about the concept of white privelege back when I was 18. It's funny how blacks and latinos are economically disenfranchised and Asians and Middle Easterners are socially disenfranchised but if you read all of Keto's race posts, you'd think all us minorities have the power here in America and white people are helpless victims

give me a break

what city are you from Keto? Because here in LA, that's not what I see

 

[user43770]

Oh btw, Americans on a whole, you guys are the biggest racists in the world next to the Japanese.

I'd like to see proof of this preposterous accusation.