"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I met this girl on one of the social networking sites, although it turns out we have a mutual friend. We corresponded several times online, agreed to meet for lunch. It turned out really well, so well in fact we lost track of time and were there a couple of hrs. We began talking and texting regularly after that and she agreed to meet me for dinner one night last week. She has her child during the week and said she normally doesn't do anything social when he is there. I thought it was a good sign she was willing to make an exception, especially when she was driving to meet me and I am 30 minutes away. Dinner went well, we came back to my house briefly before she went to pick up the kid. She is remodeling her house and I showed her mine and pointed out some of the things I am planning on doing soon. We kissed a few times, she never attempted to pull away or anything, gave the vibe she liked it. I mentioned she didn't tell me anything new about herself, that we had mostly talked about our children and she said she would save that for the next time we went out. I took this as another positive that she referred to "next time". Text her the next day and got no response. I was out of pocket for the weekend so didn't attempt contact but tried calling on Sunday. No answer but left message and have yet to hear back from her. Based on how fast she returned calls and texts before, I am certain I won't be talking to her again. I have been trying to figure out where I went wrong here. This girl was showing all the signs of being interested and we seemed to have a lot in common. I should mention she was engaged to a guy who was killed in an accident last spring and according to our mutual friend, I am the first guy she has been out with. Did I jump the gun by kissing her on the second date? I have never been one to ask a woman "why" if she dissed me but this caught me so off guard, I am considering sending her an email and asking what happened. Bad idea, right?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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A radio station read a poll where the number 1 thing to end a date that was going well is how clean your bathroom is. don't really see anything you did wrong[unless you were supposed to bang her and you didn't].
 

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Well, the maid was here only a few days before and my kids have been at there mom's so the house was immaculate. Didn't get the impression this chick would put out so quickly so don't think that's it. I'm wondering if kissing her freaked her out or something due to her fiancee's fatal accident. But even at that, I kissed her a couple of different times in the house then a quick peck when she got in her car and detected no hesitancy at any point. So I don't f'ing know.
 

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She might have got bored.. I am dating a few woman and the one I like the most has children. She will text me all day and then disapeer for a few hours. Just when I think she is losing interest she will text me, or send me a sexy pic to tell me she is thinking about me. I keep reminding myself how I am the prize. Thats how you need to look at things her loss..

Stop texting, calling so much, leave her alone till she contacts you. Do not ask her on other dates when you are with her, make her wonder how much fun you are having..
 

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women play games professionally just leave it she'll call back...
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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what did you say in the text you sent the next day ?
 

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The next day was Thanksgiving....just asked how her day went. She was having a big family affair in her new house. As she was getting in her car to leave the night before after our date she said "If I don't talk to you tomorrow, have a good Thanksgiving". Didn't think anything was sinister about that, we have only known each other a short time and aren't talking everyday although over the past week or so we had generally had some contact, although mostly brief, on a daily basis. I was always the one that ended the phone convo's, can't recall a single time that she ended it.
 

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sandman007 said:
I have never been one to ask a woman "why" if she dissed me but this caught me so off guard, I am considering sending her an email and asking what happened. Bad idea, right?
Never ask, never explain.

Be patient .She has another life that does not involve you.
And BTW, you did not do anything 'wrong' .

Just wait- and in the mean time, conduct your life exactly like you did before you met her.
 

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I live in a small town far from any metro area and there aren't a lot of places to go to meet women. I don't care for the bar scene or most of the women you meet in bars. I have small children who live with me and am selective about who I bring around them and in my experience I can learn more about a woman, especially when we have mutual friends, on the social networking sites.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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sandman007 said:
that we had mostly talked about our children

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That's why. How fvcking boring. You are just another boring dad. That's why she never returned your calls.
 

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Zunder said:
sandman007 said:
that we had mostly talked about our children

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That's why. How fvcking boring. You are just another boring dad. That's why she never returned your calls.

And she is just another boring mom, huh? You obviously don't have kids, or if you do, don't consider them as important as I do mine. Women are really attracted to men who spend time with their kids. I have custody of mine and have had multiple women tell me that is a huge point in my favor, that I actually raise them when a lot of men don't have or want that responsibility. Whatever the problem is, that isn't it. I guess there are all kinds on this message board and you, sir, are an idiot.
 

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Well, who knows, women are more like children than you can ever imagine. We are all looking for the logical,because thats the way WE think. Do you get all excited about X-mas?[women and kids do] I had an employee plug in the tree to look at for 20 minutes after work[while I was trying to get out of there],another had to show me how nice the Nitrous Oxide masks smelled-orange,bubble gum and berry-oh WOW[she stood there sniffing the outside of the packages while we had work to do-or should have]

There's a part of woman that is a 5 year old,we will never know the reasons for what they do.
 

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You did nothing wrong.

I once had a relationship with a woman who had recently lost a fiance. There is a good chance that she is still dealing with those issues. It's not something you can get over easily.

Give her space and be patient. As someone said earlier she has a life and so should you.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Zunder said:
sandman007 said:
that we had mostly talked about our children

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That's why. How fvcking boring. You are just another boring dad. That's why she never returned your calls.
You don't have children at the age of 39? That is boring.

I don't have kids yet, but it is natural for singles with kids to share experiences about them, just like you talk about job or school - anything that takes up a large share of your hours every week. Added to talk about other things, of course. And doing other things than talking at the date, going to different locations is very important.
 

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the planet has too many people to be sustainable...most people have children for their own ego's or because it is the done thing or to get welfare checks. Very few consider whether it is the right thing to do and whether or not they can go the distance in raising the children.
 

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Hello SandMan,
I think she would have been impressed with you,particularly that you didn't push the Svexual pace and you seem such a dedicated Father.
Stop thinking that you did something wrong,she has another life,I feel sure that there is some domestic agenda here,just be patient and she will come,contact her just to see how she is getting on,let her push the pace.
 

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Sometimes we look to ourselves for what went wrong, but there are so many variables, it is complex. Don't get down or hate on things, stay positive and she'll come back around if she is interested in you.

Losing someone a woman loves to a fatal accident might make her afraid to feel certain emotions again (for fear of losing a person yet again). There may be many things going on in her head other than anything you did wrong. She may have been open to sexual advances, maybe you didn't pursue, I'm not sure. But sounds to me if someone has lost someone, it's good to take things slow.

Stay positive man, from your post you sound like a strong human being.
 

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You took her back to your place, kissed her, she shows NO signs of resistance, and you didn't close the deal??
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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