"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Where are these slvts?

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I keep hearing on here how women can't be trusted and are slvts...well where are these slvts? Whenever I go out with a girl for coffee, she just interviews me and asks career type questions and seems like she's looking for a husband...even the young ones.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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These girls probably leave their date with you and go off and fvck some guy. That's what women are like. They date one kind of guy (providers, sugar daddies) and will fvck other kind of guy.
 

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DoItAgain said:
I keep hearing on here how women can't be trusted and are slvts...well where are these slvts? Whenever I go out with a girl for coffee, she just interviews me and asks career type questions and seems like she's looking for a husband...even the young ones.
You must portray some sort of image related to "commitment" and "safe nice guy" and the sort of dates you choose and manner you present yourself cement this. I have a few drinks with em, dance with em, joke with them call them dorks what not, rub their ****s and tell them dirty things and lay em. Then later I might have coffee or dinner with them if I choose so (and yes she pays half or the whole damn thing and I get the next one how it should be!). :yes:

So many women are full of surprises. Ones that I thought were pretty innocent are later texting me things like "What's your favorite way to fuc*k me?"
 

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The issue isn't you go out to coffee with women on a first date (or is it?). But it doesn't seem like you're leading the convo and making it something other than an interview. Be a smart ass, be witty, use sexual innuendos, etc. Be a lil ****y, use your surroundings to your advantage.

You have to lead the conversation. I use a lot innuendo and double entendres... e.g. Do you like cats? Yes! I bet you do like kitty ;) . Make fun of things they do and relate it back to sex. When they tell me my mind is in the gutter, well, it takes one to know one ;)

If you feel like things are slowing down, take a walk, go to Barnes, change the location to get different stimuli but keep it witty, funny, etc. The entendre's lead to them physically hitting me (don't break your hand now!), which leads to more hitting, me catching the hand, "Keep it up and I'll be forced to man handle you....but then again, you'd probably like that ;)"

****y, funny, sexual.

She works at a call center? The 900 numbers cost $2 a min, so what you make like $100 bucks an hour? Ballllinnnn!

Basically, flip the script on half the **** she says in jest...but don't say just kidding/just joking or anything else like that.

EDIT: Hand on the thigh squeeze is always a good heat check for me.
 
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The thing is, I'm not the provider or safe nice guy. I don't even have a job or a car, and I don't listen to their problems. If anything, I comment on other pretty women around us, or what celebrities I wish I could date.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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DoItAgain said:
The thing is, I'm not the provider or safe nice guy. I don't even have a job or a car, and I don't listen to their problems. If anything, I comment on other pretty women around us, or what celebrities I wish I could date.
That's still kind of light though. I have the same problem with not realizing I'm not being sexual enough....I've tried to the same things also, commenting on girls around me but its kind of stupid when compared to Young Juan's post....relate everything back to sex! Dont back dow..its better you got rejected for being too forward than getting rejected for doing nothing at all
 

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DoItAgain said:
I keep hearing on here how women can't be trusted and are slvts...well where are these slvts? Whenever I go out with a girl for coffee, she just interviews me and asks career type questions and seems like she's looking for a husband...even the young ones.
That's because your putting yourself in an interview/date type atmosphere.

I've met girls at clubs where our conversation turned into something like that of a dates and taken girls out on dates where they think we're in a club. It's just how you make them feel.
 

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I'm at a really confused part of my life. On one hand, I don't want to be a manwh0re. On the other hand, I crave excitement and attraction. I'd like to be in an exclusive relationship that isn't the typical stupid relationship that involves talking about serious stuff and going out to dinners. I'd almost like a relationship like the one Al Pacino and Ellen Barkin had in Sea Of Love (that is, for those of you who haven't seen it, a torrid affair...having all kinds of passionate sex.) Basically I'm looking for my own personal slvt.
 

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The solution to your problem is to take chicks out on dates that involve more physical activity instead of just sitting for coffee. That way you force them to get active and they have less time to "interview" you. Also you can get physical with them easier and "test" if they are slutty or not since that is what you are after.
 

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Thanks U-571. Helps a lot. Don't get me wrong, I like going out at a casual restaurant and talking to a girl...but after I already know her. Even if you're looking for more of an intimate connection, I think coffee dates and dinner dates are a horrible way to get to know someone.

My first date with my ex was a dinner date, but we had been talking online and on the phone for a month beforehand, and after dinner walked around the mall where I was able to do kino, then we went to our old high school (we graduated together but didn't know each other at the time) parking lot and made out and fondled each other.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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DoItAgain said:
Thanks U-571. Helps a lot. Don't get me wrong, I like going out at a casual restaurant and talking to a girl...but after I already know her. Even if you're looking for more of an intimate connection, I think coffee dates and dinner dates are a horrible way to get to know someone.

My first date with my ex was a dinner date, but we had been talking online and on the phone for a month beforehand, and after dinner walked around the mall where I was able to do kino, then we went to our old high school (we graduated together but didn't know each other at the time) parking lot and made out and fondled each other.
You just answered your own question...

Additionally, you probably are approaching these "dates" with the wrong mindset. You are specifically chasing only the poon here. Instead of focusing only on the poon, approach these "dates" with a less outcome-driven mindset. If you are so focused on only one thing you will neglect so many other aspects of your game that ultimately help you get the poon.
 

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DoItAgain said:
I keep hearing on here how women can't be trusted and are slvts...well where are these slvts? Whenever I go out with a girl for coffee, she just interviews me and asks career type questions and seems like she's looking for a husband...even the young ones.

Don't act, talk, touch safe... Be forward with them and their inner sexual freak will be unleash. Be sexual. Going for coffee and meeting girls is for one goal only: Put you rocket launcher in her black hole !!! So go for it !:D
 

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My inner game is all f***ed up at the moment.

I've tried taking a break to sort this stuff out...but I still end up going on plentyoffish begging UGs for sex...and if it weren't for masturbation, I would have met a 49 year old woman that looked and sounded like Patty or Selma from the Simpsons.

I'm intensely curious what it's like to have sex, unfortunately without attraction (when I'm out and about in the real world) I'm not motivated. The catch-22 is that when I see a girl I'm attracted to, I then want her for more...which you might say isn't a bad thing...but right now, I don't mind admitting, a one night stand is about all I could handle.

In a relationship, I'd just get obsessed, especially if I was really attracted to the girl.

Somehow, I just want to lose the V card with someone I'm relatively attracted to, then reassess everything.

Taking a break altogether makes sense, but I can't trust myself. The idea and curiousity about sex is so much ingrained in my brain that I don't even realize when I'm signing on POF flirting with UGs.
 

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My inner game is all f***ed up at the moment.

I've tried taking a break to sort this stuff out...but I still end up going on plentyoffish begging UGs for sex...and if it weren't for masturbation, I would have met a 49 year old woman that looked and sounded like Patty or Selma from the Simpsons.

I'm intensely curious what it's like to have sex, unfortunately without attraction (when I'm out and about in the real world) I'm not motivated. The catch-22 is that when I see a girl I'm attracted to, I then want her for more...which you might say isn't a bad thing...but right now, I don't mind admitting, a one night stand is about all I could handle.

In a relationship, I'd just get obsessed, especially if I was really attracted to the girl.


Somehow, I just want to lose the V card with someone I'm relatively attracted to, then reassess everything.

Taking a break altogether makes sense, but I can't trust myself. The idea and curiousity about sex is so much ingrained in my brain that I don't even realize when I'm signing on POF flirting with UGs.

I was in this situation not to long ago (back in May, I want it to lose my V-card and I did). Then I realize that all I had to do is be social with girls. Lots of them, not being shy about saying that might be outrageous. But I understood that when I stopped thinking about meeting girls and stop looking at porn for a while. After that, it was so easy to just talk to girls, ask for their opinion or their number (when I wasn't getting c*ckblock by their friends out didn't have someone to talk with ;) )

Take a rest, enjoy your hobbies and start talking to girls, you will feel fear every single time, but you will be able to go pass that fear and aim for what you want (that hot girl)

Send me a personal message if you want some more help
 

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DoItAgain said:
I'm intensely curious what it's like to have sex, unfortunately without attraction (when I'm out and about in the real world) I'm not motivated. The catch-22 is that when I see a girl I'm attracted to, I then want her for more...which you might say isn't a bad thing...but right now, I don't mind admitting, a one night stand is about all I could handle.

In a relationship, I'd just get obsessed, especially if I was really attracted to the girl.

Somehow, I just want to lose the V card with someone I'm relatively attracted to, then reassess everything.
If you want to have sex with someone you are "relatively attracted to", remember she has to be attracted to you as well. It's not a one way street.

Also, if you are very curious to what sex feels like with a decent looking girl, ask yourself: WHAT DOES SHE GET OUT OF IT to have sex with you? A guy with no job, no money, but a nice car? A guy that can make her laugh? A guy who knocks down her self esteem? A guy that recite poetry to her? A guy that can teach her how to cook? A guy that teach her how to play video games? Remember, she will give you sex IN EXCHANGE for something. What will you give her?

So many guys get so confused about this issue. You wouldn't sell your playstation to a girl without getting SOMETHING (MONEY, A MEAL, SEX) for it. Why would a girl sell you something she values (HER BODY) without getting SOMETHING for it?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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My mind was on overdrive yesterday. I woke up feeling a lot better and more coherent. I basically just want a Mrs. Right Now...a girlfriend, but without the stupid sh*t...meeting her annoying friends, making empty promises, and all that sh*t. Rather what I want is a girl to hang out with and have fun with in and out of bed...none of this AFC Cory and Topanga sh*t.

A friend gave me good advice...that with women it's all about gimmicks and wanting what they can't easily get (or demonstrating higher value.) As a 26 year old that's a 6 or 7 on the 10 scale, no muscles, not rich, not alpha or life of the party, etc., I have nothing to offer a woman my age who's looking for just sex and fun...unless I'm "her type exactly" in which case she'd probably want a serious relationship.

To a 18-22 year old woman, I'm all of a sudden "the cute older guy" who has life experience and seemingly has dated her type before.

Granted, there are 18-22 year old women that think they sh*t ice cream and would just see me or another non-alpha 26 year old and think "what a loser"...but who cares about them.

So maybe the answer is targetting younger women who don't know any better.
 

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You have to be more sexual or physical, with the girls, i've got a reversed experience, went totally sexual with a girl, and see went crazy/hot..and it was a ONS!!!...

But the next morning i went into talking mode.. see went cold, and left.. never seen her again.. don't wanna talk.. i was boring.. no challenge anymore.. but who cares.. next girl....
But i know now that " action speak louder than words"..

Girls are bored when you talk to much..... !!!
 

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As the man, it's your job to escalate.

Forget what you see in the movies, it's your job.

Coffee or dinner are good dates. I always use coupons or gift certs if it's a dinner date.

Start off with light convo, get to know her. After about an hour, invite her to your place for a drink.

Once she's over, man up and kiss her. Lead her to the bedroom.
 

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I don't drive (I have severe ADD) and live at home...so taking them home isn't an option.

I'm not looking to become a pimp, just looking to lose the V-card to a slightly above average looking girl. I gave up on the whole "bang a 10" thing...there aren't many of them, if any, where I live anyway, and I wouldn't have great looks, personality, money, muscles, etc., to offer them anyway. However, I'm above average looking...even my worst female critics have said that I'm not ugly...and I'm not the dreaded "nice guy" so I feel losing the V card to a 6 or 7 shouldn't be THAT hard, but it is.
 

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DoItAgain said:
To a 18-22 year old woman, I'm all of a sudden "the cute older guy" who has life experience and seemingly has dated her type before.

Granted, there are 18-22 year old women that think they sh*t ice cream and would just see me or another non-alpha 26 year old and think "what a loser"...but who cares about them.

So maybe the answer is targetting younger women who don't know any better.
That's exactly what I do, but I also added the cougar types to my menu.

Also that ****y/funny and sexual stuff works well at the begging, but eventually wears itself out. It's great to raise the IL really high and break the ice with it,but at that moment you will still be "interviewed" latter on, and then you will have to show how good of a "listener" you are or try to be. Being too forward will kill the game if she has no intent on getting laid that same moment.....and %90 of women with options won't go for it.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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