"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Exodus13

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Hey dudes

So I have gotten a number and had a short little text message convo
were I think I might have CFed a little to hard at the end of the convo. Got this message back "haha okay. im actually drinking in town. But have fun whatever ur doing..."

I then call the next day to arrange a date, I get voice mail. I call today voice mail again. I am ready to next her but I just want your guys take on it, and what you would do in this situation. And if or what I did wrong.

-Exodus
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Could be a number of reasons. Id go No contact and if she doesnt text you or call then simply forget about her. I find getting too invested in reasons why they go cold are futile and counter-productive and devoting too much attention and thought to them leads to you wanting them more. Simply put it down to her loss, but understand that you need to improve in order to get a better hit rate and understand that not everyone likes you / wants to pursue contact with you. I think you know the answer.. Next
 

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kinda funny

So turns out she texts me during dinner, saying I have been super busy with homework or whatever.

After dinner I get back to her and text her proposing going out, she says she can't at the time I suggested but s a later time, I say sure, and where we should meet. Haven't got a text back confirming so she might flake on the date if so I'm done with her. We will see what her true colors are tomorrow.

In this instance was texting alright with asking for the date?
Thanks again for replies, its been great getting back in to the game.

-Exodus
 

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Texting is fine, nothing wrong there, most people are a lot more comfortable with it today than a phone call at the early stages.

A backup plan with another chick never hurts but is always tough to do when you are interested in someone.
 

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Le killeur said:
Could be a number of reasons. Id go No contact and if she doesnt text you or call then simply forget about her. I find getting too invested in reasons why they go cold are futile and counter-productive and devoting too much attention and thought to them leads to you wanting them more. Simply put it down to her loss, but understand that you need to improve in order to get a better hit rate and understand that not everyone likes you / wants to pursue contact with you. I think you know the answer.. Next
Very wise, nice post. Let women wonder "Why didn't he call me back???" You just date as many women as you can and let the ones who aren't that interested drop off your radar. If you are in contact with enough girls, and you keep reading and learning, the wheat will be separated from the chaff automatically without you even thinking about the ones who left. You'll be too busy thinking about the ones who're still there. :yes:
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I think the OP has made his interest level absolutely clear with his Ask-Out-At-Every-Chance strategy.
 

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bigneil said:
I think the OP has made his interest level absolutely clear with his Ask-Out-At-Every-Chance strategy.

LOL! Definitely agree!

OP you showed too much interest too soon. And you bought her "sorry I've been busy with hmwk" bs excuse.

Its simple; your not a challenge, she knows you have high interest and she doesn't.

Game over, she will flake or text you saying she can't hang out.


Carry on, nothing more to see here, just learn from your mistakes.


And to answer your question is was NOT a smart move to ask her out right away when she text you back since you should've realized she didn't have high interest based on your unanswered calls.







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Yea you guys were dead on and flaked on tonight, she said something about this weekend but I said "I'm pretty busy, Ill let you know". Yea she's done.


So improving from this situation, should I have gone no contact after the second call, and just in general with interest levels, how to convey that I am the catch? I just have a lot of questions and just want to soak up all the learning I can from this situation.

I am gonna check out the Dj bible and this later tonight. But some more help from you guys would be great?

Feels great that I am actually trying, learning, getting these experiences.

Thanks again guys

-Exodus
 

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It's like riding a bike, it's all about feel, nobody can really explain how to do it via text. Just keep trying and eventually you'll get the right balance. Takes a long-ass time.
 

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you got it

I knew I was in for the long haul, and gonna keep on trying in till I get it right.

Just one last question, about a girls interest level I should give a f**k about it?




-Exodus
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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At first yes, then once you get good you'll sort of forget about it because you know that your "act" will work.

Here's an analogy: if you're a new stand-up comic and you're playing to small audiences at open-mic night, you care about crowd reaction and you need to gauge it as you perform and change things up if they're not going well. However, when you're Denis Leary and you're playing to a sold-out Hollywood Bowl, you know your routine is perfected and you're just going to do it and know it will turn out ok, you don't constantly have to gauge whether each joke is landing.

The downside to that is that there are some people who hate Denis Leary's humor and would never go to see him. Does he care? No, he makes (or made, back in the day) a sh*t-ton of money off the people who did like him, and there were enough of those that he doesn't really care about the ones who don't. Same will happen with you and women. The persona and "routine" you eventually choose (or which eventually chooses you) will attract X% of women. It will be successful enough that you won't care about the other XX% of women it doesn't attract.

Eventually you won't have to worry about "Am I being beta?" or "Is this action a good one" because it just will be. It's worked on 20 other chicks previously and it will probably work again. And if it doesn't, there are a half dozen other chicks on your radar it probably will work on.

You see, it's a different mindset. But you just need experience. You can get 80% of the theory within a few months just by reading pickup stuff online, and the final 20% is obtained from doing over and over and over.
 
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