"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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when to get physical-kiss , hold hands and dating -inexp guy

joe45

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ok met the gal off the net -first time we met it was coffee-good chat she talks a lot which is good, last night was dinner at tgi's-i paid for it total 30 bucks. so far we jsut been chatting about school and her new job as a finanical services person....life, movies, her freinds, HS, music....what not. the thing is i haven;t kissed, hold hands, or done any physical activty with her yet-since i not sure when to do that-25 never had a gf or even dated. i don;t want to come off too fast and lose her but i don't want to go too slow and get into the freind zone.
when is a good time to kiss or show some physical sides-holdhands, cuddle..etc. also i don;t even now how to kiss-how can i practice and wheere should i kiss her-it be at some public place i guess.
also at the same time i don;t want to spend too much or any money, i'm a student, she works-but low wages. shes nice but i still hardly now her and not sure if this girl is even my type-personaitly wise, we did chat a lot though-i'm so inexp that i don;t even now what i'm looking for and if shes the one.

physical looking shes avg looking, i like to go for the trendy clothes hot import model looking types but i get rejected and can't even get a date with one of those-most of those type of girls have bfs already-since they are so hot.

also we both live at home-so far my place is out of the quesiton my folks are always at home,not sure about hers. no car either so its like we do we do it. hotel -well too much $$
any suggestions
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Macgyver

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joe45 said:
ok met the gal off the net -first time we met it was coffee-good chat she talks a lot which is good, last night was dinner at tgi's-i paid for it total 30 bucks. so far we jsut been chatting about school and her new job as a finanical services person....life, movies, her freinds, HS, music....what not. the thing is i haven;t kissed, hold hands, or done any physical activty with her yet-since i not sure when to do that-25 never had a gf or even dated. i don;t want to come off too fast and lose her but i don't want to go too slow and get into the freind zone.
when is a good time to kiss or show some physical sides-holdhands, cuddle..etc. also i don;t even now how to kiss-how can i practice and wheere should i kiss her-it be at some public place i guess.
also at the same time i don;t want to spend too much or any money, i'm a student, she works-but low wages. shes nice but i still hardly now her and not sure if this girl is even my type-personaitly wise, we did chat a lot though-i'm so inexp that i don;t even now what i'm looking for and if shes the one.

physical looking shes avg looking, i like to go for the trendy clothes hot import model looking types but i get rejected and can't even get a date with one of those-most of those type of girls have bfs already-since they are so hot.

also we both live at home-so far my place is out of the quesiton my folks are always at home,not sure about hers. no car either so its like we do we do it. hotel -well too much $$
any suggestions
Stop.

Read the DJ Bible, immediately before you do anything else.
 

applaya

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yeah man read somthin. check out the system by doc love i highly recomend it. It's 100 bucks but you can prob get it on ebay for a lot less.

first date I don't try any of that stuff. just keep it light and keep it funny. teese her and make her laugh. be a gentleman. hands off. at the end of the night you don't have to kiss her, but you can it's no big deal eather way. hopefully shes diggin you and touches you at least once during the date (brush against you or somthin like that)

second date do the same thing, (hopefully shes initiating more contact at this point). at this point you have to kiss her at the end of the date. if she turns her head and u get cheek, NEXT. shes not interested, throw her number away.
 

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Simple,when you are feeling it go in for it. If a girl is not comfortable with a position you put them in they will let you know. Example,I went out with this hb 8.5 last week,we watched a movie. It was the first date and I can tell she was into so I kept moving forward. We were lying on the couch and I leaned over on her,very close and said something to her that resulted in me saying "actions speak louder then words" and I kissed her and we started making out. TADA it is that easy,not rocket science. DONT DO THE HOLDING HANDS IDEA,BAD ONE, SHOWS YOU TWO HAVENT HAD SEX. Have you ever noticed that newer couples that have not had sex hold hands? 80% of couples that have had sex dont hold hands(dont ask me how I noticed this). Let the girl try the holding hands first,if she wants it make her make the first move.
 
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