"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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When she doesn't answer...what do YOU do?

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Scought said:
You need to leave a voicemail especially if its your first time calling her.

It reminds her of who you are. A lot of PEOPLE screen calls when a number they don't recognize pops up on their phone. I don't answer random numbers (it could be someone I don't want to talk to) so if they don't leave a message no call back. If they leave a message I plug that number into my phone and now know who it is when they call again.
very true, however when this particular girl gave me her number she took mine as well, so she knew who was calling.

I think this thread has potential.

How often do Women wait to call you back? Personally, I sometimes wait to call women back because I want 'give the gift of missing me.' So, it's a subtle game I might play. Perhaps Women are doing the same thing to us.

Do you really think a woman that likes you always calls immediately?
Perhaps its a game?
Do you think no call back the same day means no or little interest?
Well, that is what this thread is about:rockon:

If she has a pattern of calling back a day or two later, it's a conscious thing she does and you have to work through that.

Interesting analysis of what being sent to voicemail means.

I mean, c'mon, when do you ever find a woman to be without her cell phone? NEVER. They always know where it is, and it's always on.
Exactly, this is why I get mad when they don't answer.

Also, I feel like people don't check their voicemails much, I know I don't.

I'm going to wait until next week to call her back if she doesn't call before then, try to take back control of the situation.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Scought said:
I am curious, and im not sure anyone has answered.....

Why do woman wait to call? Do you think its a thing they do based on interest or games? Or both?
Sometimes women are actually busy. You should be too.
 

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Raikojo17 said:
yea really. there's some real bitterness against him on this thread. y not just be concerned about ourselves and stop hatin on Brad Pitt because he is successful?
Because he's not a PUA, he's a over-idolized male figure. Same with any other celebrity out there, OVER-IDOLIZED.

Where's your field reports bud? Seeing how you IDOLIZE supposedly the best person on the world, show us what YOU are made of. Follow in the footsteps right?
 

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Scought said:
I am curious, and im not sure anyone has answered.....

Why do woman wait to call? Do you think its a thing they do based on interest or games? Or both?
maybe they dont feel like talking
im not a woman and i do the same thing cuz sometimes i jus dont feel like entertaining ayone on the phone at the moment, so i wait. i even do this to my friends. it has nothing to do with interest, jus dont feel like talking.

but if the pattern of not calling continues, then it's low interest. move on
 

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Docs said:
Because he's not a PUA, he's a over-idolized male figure. Same with any other celebrity out there, OVER-IDOLIZED.

Where's your field reports bud? Seeing how you IDOLIZE supposedly the best person on the world, show us what YOU are made of. Follow in the footsteps right?
i dont idolize anyone, especially not Brad Pitt. Personally i dont like him. but wat do u gain by bein jealous of him because ur girl likes him? i dont perceive any threat in Bradd pitt. if my girl liked him (which none of them do) wat chance would they have of actually getting with him? they would have a better chance of getting hit by a car than gettin swept of their feet by him.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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this is easy

break up with her. just end it.

the disrespect alone is enough to burn her at the stake
 

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Raikojo17 said:
i dont idolize anyone, especially not Brad Pitt. Personally i dont like him. but wat do u gain by bein jealous of him because ur girl likes him? i dont perceive any threat in Bradd pitt. if my girl liked him (which none of them do) wat chance would they have of actually getting with him? they would have a better chance of getting hit by a car than gettin swept of their feet by him.
Who ever said I was jealous? He is a human out of reach of anyone I know.:rockon:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Sometimes women are actually busy. You should be too.

Pfft, nobody in the world outside of Jack Bauer in "24" is too busy to make a two-minute phone call. That's the weakest excuse in the world.

I think most of the time a woman is trying to test you to see if you'll call back again (and again and again and again) like a chump. Or they're weird freaks with confidence issues and freak out at the thought of calling you back. Who knows?
 

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Imo.... Women do this 95% of the time to just have you there for attention. If she liked you, then she would simply pick up the phone.

If she does like you and was busy at the time, then she would return the call when she did have the time.

Few days go by, if she aint returned your call move on.. imo

She will be spinning other plates and at the same time she will know she is winding you up, and knows she can call upon you at anytime. This is why we should not keep getting in touch. Let the women do the chasing..

Mindtrust
 

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Serialized3 said:
Pfft, nobody in the world outside of Jack Bauer in "24" is too busy to make a two-minute phone call. That's the weakest excuse in the world.
You try spinning three or more plates while working and having a social life outside of dating. Just how often are you going to to return a call from a woman who has left the message "Hey, it's me again. Are you there? Why don't you return my calls? Oh well, call me when you're not so busy..."

Yeah, I'll rush to return her call... :rolleyes:
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
You try spinning three or more plates while working and having a social life outside of dating. Just how often are you going to to return a call from a woman who has left the message "Hey, it's me again. Are you there? Why don't you return my calls? Oh well, call me when you're not so busy..."

Yeah, I'll rush to return her call... :rolleyes:
Wow, all these good points with barely any flaming, I feel this is a top quality thread.:rockon:

Anyway, I also agree with you Francisco, so I decided to only leave a message if I have something REALLY important to say... or if I have something which would really make her want to call back. I actually remember one of David D's lines where he would cut out the message mid-sentence to make her call back and find out what happened.
 

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Anyway, I also agree with you Francisco, so I decided to only leave a message if I have something REALLY important to say... or if I have something which would really make her want to call back. I actually remember one of David D's lines where he would cut out the message mid-sentence to make her call back and find out what happened.
Good job of regaining control. :up:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
You try spinning three or more plates while working and having a social life outside of dating. Just how often are you going to to return a call from a woman who has left the message "Hey, it's me again. Are you there? Why don't you return my calls? Oh well, call me when you're not so busy..."

Yeah, I'll rush to return her call... :rolleyes:

Not calling a girl you're not interested in is one thing, but not calling someone because you're "too busy" is just a lame lie.

Even when I'm busy with work, school, and girls, I can always make time for a 5 minute call to someone I care about.
 

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Serialized3 said:
Not calling a girl you're not interested in is one thing, but not calling someone because you're "too busy" is just a lame lie.

Even when I'm busy with work, school, and girls, I can always make time for a 5 minute call to someone I care about.
Agreed.

Let's say you are driving home from work or driving to pick up one of your other dates...I can guarantee that you can find 3 minutes to make the call while you are driving to other appointments/dates.

Quite often, to remind myself that I have other options, I will call a woman and set up a date on my way to picking up a different girl. It just puts things in perspective and gives me an excuse to get off the phone quickly.
 

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I make just about all my calls in the car on the way to places. I have zero respect for people that can't call back. I give way more attention to women that call back and only talk for like a minute then someone who only calls back every once in awhile but talks for 20 minutes. It's the hidden meaning that counts not the conversation.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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When she calls back, do not answer. Then return the call on your time. If she doesn't answer that time, continue meeting new chicks.
 
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Yeah kid, give her another call and don't be afraid to leave a message - don't be scared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Call her right away and not later - Quit being so contrived!!!!
 
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