"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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When it comes to the battle of SMV, who really wins in the end, men or women?

Who really wins the battle of SMV in the end?

  • Men

    Votes: 26 83.9%
  • Women

    Votes: 5 16.1%

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JaegerPilot217

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another reason why I vote women is because women are less likely to be late bloomers than men are since they are valued for their youth more than men are, they get experience pleasures such as going on a vacation, traveling with their significant other, while me i'm worried I won't get to experience this until my 30's unfortuneately
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Danger said:
Don't fret JaegerPilot, it gets much much better in your 30's. Just make sure to not succumb to the "date women your own age" shaming, and don't settle too quickly. The 30's really are the sexual power peak for men and it would be much too wasteful to give that up on a woman who is well into her decline.
Yeah, this. I'm not quite 30 yet but my last girlfriend was 9 years younger than me. Don't listen to anyone who tries to shame you into dating "your age". Women don't mature and only get crazier as they age so keep your targets trained on that young poon.
 

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Danger said:
Don't fret JaegerPilot, it gets much much better in your 30's. Just make sure to not succumb to the "date women your own age" shaming, and don't settle too quickly. The 30's really are the sexual power peak for men and it would be much too wasteful to give that up on a woman who is well into her decline.
haha I like to think of this as us men having the last laugh, but at the same time, it's hard to not think about what could have been
 

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I can't wait till I'm 36. I'm going to be tearing up pvssies then if I work out consistently. Plus, I look 10 years younger than my age, so I will look 26 years old. I plan to date girls in their 20's until I'm around 40.
 

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^lol, I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say they look 10 years younger than they are, when that's not the truth. I just nod along usually lol.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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IF there is one benefit to being black, it's that we don't crack lol. yeah baby! no stupid **** like receding hair lines, no wrinkles, no sunburnt skin, etc

I look at my parents and I'm gonna be sitting pretty well into my 50's especially if i keep working out.
 

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backbreaker said:
IF there is one benefit to being black, it's that we don't crack lol. yeah baby! no stupid **** like receding hair lines, no wrinkles, no sunburnt skin, etc

I look at my parents and I'm gonna be sitting pretty well into my 50's especially if i keep working out.
Lol word. We do age well. I've noticed blacks and Asians tend to age the best. That's just from what I've seen though.

And though a good number of brothers go bald, the shaved look seems to work with our complexion.
 

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skinnyguy said:
I can't wait till I'm 36. I'm going to be tearing up pvssies then if I work out consistently. Plus, I look 10 years younger than my age, so I will look 26 years old. I plan to date girls in their 20's until I'm around 40.
I wonder how often to women in their 20's date men in their 40's
 

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I"ve been bald before. It's not my preferred look but I could defiantly rock it.
 

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JaegerPilot217 said:
I wonder how often to women in their 20's date men in their 40's
I lie about my age when it benefits me. I'm 31 and when I was in Mexico I told the SDSU girls that I was a senior in college. They believed me.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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JaegerPilot217 said:
I wonder how often to women in their 20's date men in their 40's
Judging from this forum, everybody seems to lie about their age to younger women (well, not me, I've never felt the need to). So I wonder how many women dated guys in their 40s without ever realizing it.

Aside from that, if you take a young girl on the c0ck carousel, you think none of them ever sampled an older guy here and there (talking about 30s and maybe 40s)?

I remember this story about Bruce Willis when he was in his early 50s, he got into some trouble for drunken disruption or whatever, nothing serious. But they interviewed these two drunk girls and they were talking about him. They were saying, yeah, we know he was older, but if wasn't acting like such an @sshole, we would have fvcked him. Lol.
 

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With all the lying about age and concern about how young they look, are men behaving that much differently than women? I mean really? I don't need to hide my age...but I guess its cause I'm still in my 20s.
 

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I know how overwhelmingly this can be to a young guy having to miss out on those years but it is fairly common. From my experience, only a small number of guys are truly getting laid in college from a variety of girls. The hottest girls are hunting for guys that are athletes or come from well off families, it is just how it works.

What makes it worse for a young guy is having to hear the hookup culture over and over again from the media so when he isn't getting laid he gets very depressed over it. It is the image of the "hookup culture" that is screwing up the mindset of young men.

Now despite what anyone might tell you, from the ages of 18-22, it is mainly:

- jocks
- pretty boys in frats
- guys with money that can throw parties at their house

getting laid

Most guys are still developing and trying to get a hold of themselves.

Work on getting your **** together and then you can take vacations to spring break destinations and pull college girls back to your crib. They hardly care about their social circles when they are on vacations anyways.

I am 26, keep on trucking boys, things get better. You will be surprised as to how many girls who wanted nothing to do with you now want to be your wives.
 

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HowardHughesDicaprio said:
You will be surprised as to how many girls who wanted nothing to do with you now want to be your wives.
Err...this isn't a good thing.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Danger said:
I don't hide my age, it doesn't stop them from chasing me.


Nor have I seen any poster who is concerned about "how young they look" though.
I guess you arent reading the same thread here. Oh wells. I see it all the time on this board. meh.
HowardHughesDicaprio said:
I know how overwhelmingly this can be to a young guy having to miss out on those years but it is fairly common. From my experience, only a small number of guys are truly getting laid in college from a variety of girls. The hottest girls are hunting for guys that are athletes or come from well off families, it is just how it works.

What makes it worse for a young guy is having to hear the hookup culture over and over again from the media so when he isn't getting laid he gets very depressed over it. It is the image of the "hookup culture" that is screwing up the mindset of young men.

Now despite what anyone might tell you, from the ages of 18-22, it is mainly:

- jocks
- pretty boys in frats
- guys with money that can throw parties at their house

getting laid

Most guys are still developing and trying to get a hold of themselves.

Work on getting your **** together and then you can take vacations to spring break destinations and pull college girls back to your crib. They hardly care about their social circles when they are on vacations anyways.

I am 26, keep on trucking boys, things get better. You will be surprised as to how many girls who wanted nothing to do with you now want to be your wives.
Damn, I keep saying "it cant be this bad" for guys out there...but then I keep hearing these stories of failure on this board and others.

And while I was a slightly late bloomer into "hookup culture", it was because I was rather relationship minded during a portion of my teen and early 20s. Though even then I had flings when my relationships failed. And I also saw a bunch of regular dudes hooking up with girls in college. So I really dunno.

I see all kinds of guys in their 20s getting women. Its not just jocks and pretty boys. Im wondering if guys that arent getting laid are even making a real effort to talk to women. Even when I was noob and said not so smooth stuff, or dressed kinda weird, I still had certain chicks who liked me. And Im not an amazing looking guy or anything.

So like I said, I really wonder what dudes are or arent doing that stands in their way.
 

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HowardHughesDicaprio said:
I know how overwhelmingly this can be to a young guy having to miss out on those years but it is fairly common. From my experience, only a small number of guys are truly getting laid in college from a variety of girls. The hottest girls are hunting for guys that are athletes or come from well off families, it is just how it works.

What makes it worse for a young guy is having to hear the hookup culture over and over again from the media so when he isn't getting laid he gets very depressed over it. It is the image of the "hookup culture" that is screwing up the mindset of young men.

Now despite what anyone might tell you, from the ages of 18-22, it is mainly:

- jocks
- pretty boys in frats
- guys with money that can throw parties at their house

getting laid


Most guys are still developing and trying to get a hold of themselves.

Work on getting your **** together and then you can take vacations to spring break destinations and pull college girls back to your crib. They hardly care about their social circles when they are on vacations anyways.

I am 26, keep on trucking boys, things get better. You will be surprised as to how many girls who wanted nothing to do with you now want to be your wives.
ya it's just depressing when you feel alone, because obviously the overwhelming majority of guys have had at least 1 attractive girlfriend or relevant amount of sexual experience by the time they have reached their very early 20's, like 21 to 23, that's where the toughest part comes in, it's very difficult to not compare yourself to others
 

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JaegerPilot217 said:
ya it's just depressing when you feel alone, because obviously the overwhelming majority of guys have had at least 1 attractive girlfriend or relevant amount of sexual experience by the time they have reached their very early 20's, like 21 to 23, that's where the toughest part comes in, it's very difficult to not compare yourself to others
The problem is that young guys brag a LOT, whether justified or not. So if you are a late bloomer guy who isn't seeing any action, you get it rubbed in your face often. That was hardest part about being a late bloomer early on. I actually didn't crave sex THAT much because I hadn't tried it yet. I couldn't "miss" something I hadn't done yet.

But hearing my brother and his friends brag in great DETAIL about what they were doing with girls was quite upsetting at the time. Most of the time, they weren't trying to be mean or insensitive. They were just talking about what guys in their low 20s talk about.
 

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Mike32ct said:
The problem is that young guys brag a LOT, whether justified or not. So if you are a late bloomer guy who isn't seeing any action, you get it rubbed in your face often. That was hardest part about being a late bloomer early on. I actually didn't crave sex THAT much because I hadn't tried it yet. I couldn't "miss" something I hadn't done yet.

But hearing my brother and his friends brag in great DETAIL about what they were doing with girls was quite upsetting at the time. Most of the time, they weren't trying to be mean or insensitive. They were just talking about what guys in their low 20s talk about.
I think it was you or someone else who said they didn't get a girlfriend until age 28? Got laid the first time as well?
 

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JaegerPilot217 said:
I think it was you or someone else who said they didn't get a girlfriend until age 28? Got laid the first time as well?
Yes and yes. Having sex late was no big deal. It's natural and pretty straightforward. The problem is missing all that critical dating and relationship EXPERIENCE and the confidence that comes from it from those early years. That can never be replaced. And as I said, hearing about EVERY female your buddy made out with, fingered, and F-ed is not easy either.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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