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When Do You Start Taking Her Input When Planning The Date

Maximus Rex

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Unless she's willing to pay for or go dutch, I say you start considering her input concerning the date the fifth time your guys go out.

I welcome your comments.
 

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Originally posted by Maximus Rex
Unless she's willing to pay for or go dutch, I say you start considering her input concerning the date the fifth time your guys go out.

I welcome your comments.
This sounds like a good rule, but 5 dates seems arbitrary. Whenever she's got a great suggestion even after a few initial dates, it should involve her paying for a considerable portion. For instance, I met an older woman that wants to take me to NYC next weekend: broadway show, nice dinner, etc. I am a little strapped for cash, so I let her know. She offered to pay for most of the date which is the way it should be.

If a chick is connected as many older women are, it is difficult to avoid their suggesting dates. Best case, they just want you as a sexual companion. Because I am not serious with her, I don't feel being a "gigalo" lol is really an issue. If she flakes, NEXT. If you get serious, avoid accepting a lot of dates and gifts as this can change the balance in the relationship. You don't want to feel you owe a woman anything, especially if you want to continue seeing her.
 

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Just a suggestion guys; stop picking number for when to do (or not no) things with women. Few if any women are that precise or predictable. More times than not you predictions are going to be wrong and will backfire on you.

The fact that every woman is as unique as they are unpredictable, a DJ's success is dependent on how well he can read each interaction he has with a particular woman. If interactions with women could be read like a road map, more of us would be able to give them orgasms; think about it....

Learn to understand the particular woman you are with. Do whatever is necessary for that particular woman at that specific time. Make whatever adjustments you must and act upon them.
 

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I'd say for every 2-3 times you plan a date, the next time you have to ask her what she wants to do or tell her to make up a plan.

Don't worry about asking to be seen as weak, it gives you a chance to see what she can think of, and gives her a chance to realize that you're not a boss.
 

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