When do you fight?

[strong like bull]

regardless of the law, or whats politically correct,

its my personal opinion that if a man SPITS on you, you have the right to knock him the fvck out. if someone touches you or spits on you, they just gave you permission to touch them back.

again, it might not be the prim and proper, legal, politically correct response... but thats how i was brought up. granted i grew up in the rougher parts of chicago but the fact doesnt change - if you let people walk over you, push you around, spit on you etc no one will take you seriously or respect you.

i mean come on... whats a man supposed to do? wipe the spit out of his eye, smile and just walk away?

so by all means, if a guy spits in your face and you bust him in the jaw and come here to tell us about it.. youll get my full support!

-slb

 

[Interceptor]

I agree,

Also, that is up to each of us to determine our OWN Value System.

So while something may be extremely offensive to one man, may not be as much to another.

However, I do stress that the best Defense is simply NOT being there.
If that cannot be avoided thenyou must look at how to Stop an assault from occuring, this means you MUST be AWARE.
Now, let's be honest here,if the guy spit at a distance, that you coudln't physically reach you're SOL.
Right?

But if he was close you could've stopped it.

And like I said, I woudl have told the guy off, for being such a d*ck.
That's If I hadn't given the guy the 60 cents.
But I probably would've.
And I also say that anything goes AFTER the incident , in the sens that if you tell him "You're a fvcking *******, you know that?" and he moves you do have the RIGHT THEN to knock him the fvck out.

But, what I'm trying to get at is the LOSS of control. When ANGER and REVENGE control you.

This is the Principle of the Experience.


Try not to be at the mercy of you Anger and need for retaliation.
That is the fundamental lesson here.

 

[Luveno]

Fighting should always be a last resort. You should only employ fighting if your physical well-being is in danger, or if the physical well-being of another is in danger.

A bum spitting on you isn't danger. I'd just go call the cops and press charges. The drug addict bum would go to jail for a while, and the withdrawal he'd experience would be far more painful than any physical damage you could cause.

I must reiterate: avoid fighting at all costs. I've helped treat many wannabe street heroes who end up getting hurt, even if they won the fight. The loser usually ends up with a broken nose/jaw and a black eye, and the winner usually ends up breaking his hand or getting a limb-threatening joint infection. Either way, they both lose.

 

[MikeEdward1973]

Today some junkie asked for 60 cents. I told him no and went into a 'coffeeshop'. Outside again, he spit on me. I was thinking: why would I beat up someone like that. Later I thought that response was based on fear. What is your personal boundary?

If the coffee was scalding hot, I would have poured it on him, and called it even.

 

[DonJuan11]

Today some junkie asked for 60 cents. I told him no and went into a 'coffeeshop'. Outside again, he spit on me. I was thinking: why would I beat up someone like that. Later I thought that response was based on fear. What is your personal boundary?

Why would you beat up someone like that?? What if your girlfriend was with you? Would tell her "no problem he spit on me, lets go camping tonight"

 

[Evolution]

Do what its takes to avoid a fight.

 

[Interceptor]

Jeez, Luveno, you wrote some good stuff until you wrote this:

I must reiterate: avoid fighting at all costs.

This is a poor excuse for NOT developing proper Threat Assesment skills. and NOT knwing at least SOME Self defense skills as a Man.
There is so much wrong and danger in that one statement of yours,man.

In other words, according to you:
If some crazy druggie attacks your Mom with a knife....RUN!!!
Fvck her, man! Let her die there!
Same thing with our kids,
"Fvck 'em! They're just kids, man! Who cares??! Dude...RUN!!!!"

LOL!

No, Luveno. This is not good advice.

 

[Infamous J]

I would have kicked his ass. There's some things I'm willing to let go but being spit on is not one of them. It's one of the greatest forms of disrespect there is, aside from being pissed or shat on.

From a legal perspective it's easy to defend because he assaulted you first, you felt threatened and were only defending yourself.

And someone's got to teach this guy a lesson--he'll continue to spit on people until he gets busted in the mouth for it. Your actions could also prevent others from being spit on in the future.

 

[lookyoung]

I would have beat the sh1t out the fvcker. Spitting on someone is just as bad if not worse than punching a guy. I guarantee if you would have kicked his azz he would never spit on anyone again.

To the people that say the cops will take his side. They will not take his side unless it was caught on camera. The guy is a fvcking bum. The guy probably has a record longer than the DJ bible.

I don't fvcking understand how anyone could say walk away. Sometimes as men we must take risks. There is a risk when you fvck a girl with a condomn you may get HIV. Should we not fvck because of this? The answer is no.

We are men and part of being a man is getting your hands dirty if the situation calls for it. This situation called for that.

 

[KontrollerX]

Do your best to avoid physical confrontation with people like that.

You beat them bloody they may be infected with AIDS and then you'd get it too if you get a cut on your hand or you start fighting with them and then get pricked by the AIDS infected heroin needle in their pocket.

If you happen to have heavy black leather gloves on though feel free to punch the guy if you don't think doing so will break through the material.

 

[Interceptor]

We are men and part of being a man is getting your hands dirty if the situation calls for it

.

Very very true.
But only intelleigent men can make this decision wisely.

Babsan made the assessment that the guy in question was a junkie.Many junkies usually have HIV.
And,many of them are repeat criminals.
Sience they live in that type of environement, it would be safe to assume he may actually carry a weapon, perhaps a knife.


I understand that there may be people who don't take that into consideration.
Unfortunately , it may not be such a good thing when they go and find out that the junkie does have a kinife and is using it on you.

It is true that being spit on is disrespectful, and many of us will behave and view it differently.
And there's nothing wrong with getting angry, as long as it doesn't control you.

But, from the perspective of Self Defense, and that there is ALWAYS potential for a simple fistfight to escalate into a really Deadly situationmay makie cooler heads prevail.

People often say : "Learn to pick your Battles."

I still say that being AWARE of your ENVIRONMENT is crucial to avoiding these as much as possible.

I also think being a hothead is not actually being a man.

ANd I do agree that no one shoud LET themselves be spit on.
No on e here is advocating that.

I also know that I do not advocate being a Coward and running away from confrontation.
And I also DO advocate avoiding a fight if possible.
And it is not cowardly to AVOID a fight and escalation in a confrontation. Avoiance and De Escalation are critical partsi n Self Defense. This is the REAL WORLD. Not an actoin movie. Especialy when we are delaing with immature kids who have NO Self Defense TRAINING.

It is shrewd.
But we MUST EXAMINE the CONTEXT of the incident.

We must look at the circumstances,and if we are REALLY threatened or is it only our EGO being insulted?




But the circumstance is what it is..it happened and we cannot change it.

We can reflect on it, but it's done. It's over.
If someone wants to go out and be a hot head against a guy who spit and beat his ass, knowing he woudl be charged with assault and battery as well, and the cops would tell him that they can't side with him because he escalated, then so be it.
We can only hope that people learn to discern good advice from bad.
And gulit tripping people for 'not being a Man" for not reacting to a situation in that manner, whatever....

 

[GaryUranga]

when I dont like someone

 

[DJDamage]

I did diffuse the situation calmly, but being spit at in the face is a lot of disrespect...

You stood your grounds and you won.

What you got to realise it that this bum/crackhead doesn't give a sh1t. His life is 10 times harder then you can imagine and out of frustartion he spet at you. Now that doesn't excuse his behaviour but you got to understand that is how he learned to interact with people and frustartion through out his years on the street/hard life. It wasn't personal, so don't take it as if he choose a weak target and let your ego do the thinking, you were just random target at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Now if you were to act violently against someone who doesn't give a sh1t, you have more to lose then he does and there are more chances that you would have gotten hurt. This guy was mentally unstable and he could have clawed your eyes out or bit your fingers off and cause a serious infrection or even death.

Heck go out and treat yourself to a nice meal/drink in a restaurant, laugh about it and forget about him because when its all said and done, you are the winner in life and he is the loser.

 

[DJVladdy]

I know I snapped at Lookyoung before for being a dumba$$, but hes definitely got a point here. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

Yes, there is written law, written by god knows whom... but there is another law, called honor, that should be inside you.

A friend of mine said something like this in regards to the laws, and his enemies: "If a man snitches to the cops on another fellow man, instead of dealing with it alone - is both coward and fool. Law is simple, if i live - I will kill you; if I die - then you have been forgiven"

 

[Reyaj]

You stood your grounds and you won.

What you got to realise it that this bum/crackhead doesn't give a sh1t. His life is 10 times harder then you can imagine and out of frustartion he spet at you. Now that doesn't excuse his behaviour but you got to understand that is how he learned to interact with people and frustartion through out his years on the street/hard life. It wasn't personal, so don't take it as if he choose a weak target and let your ego do the thinking, you were just random target at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Now if you were to act violently against someone who doesn't give a sh1t, you have more to lose then he does and there are more chances that you would have gotten hurt. This guy was mentally unstable and he could have clawed your eyes out or bit your fingers off and cause a serious infrection or even death.

Heck go out and treat yourself to a nice meal/drink in a restaurant, laugh about it and forget about him because when its all said and done, you are the winner in life and he is the loser.

Best response in this whole thread...

 

[Luveno]

Jeez, Luveno, you wrote some good stuff until you wrote this:



This is a poor excuse for NOT developing proper Threat Assesment skills. and NOT knwing at least SOME Self defense skills as a Man.
There is so much wrong and danger in that one statement of yours,man.

In other words, according to you:
If some crazy druggie attacks your Mom with a knife....RUN!!!
Fvck her, man! Let her die there!
Same thing with our kids,
"Fvck 'em! They're just kids, man! Who cares??!Dude...RUN!!!!"

LOL!

No, Luveno. This is not good advice.

Your name isn't very fitting, Interceptor, because your brain surely did not intercept the point of my post.

Did you read the little sentence at the beginning where I said that fighting should only be employed if the physical well-being of you or those around you is in danger? Apparently, you didn't.

Maybe you've been in too many fights and your brain went a little George Foreman there...

 

[Evolution]

"If a man snitches to the cops on another fellow man, instead of dealing with it alone - is both coward and fool. Law is simple, if i live - I will kill you; if I die - then you have been forgiven"

If my book there are no cowards and fools. There are only those live, and those who have died.

 

[drak_ool]

I agree. Martial arts training has made me chill out a lot in regard to strangers. Learning to fight makes you not want to fight on the street, ironically enough. The people who would be the most likely to beat your ass are usually the hardest people to pick a fight with.

Another good reason for not fighting with him is that you might catch his diseases. He is likely to have hepatitis and/or HIV. A few punches to the face, some cut knuckles, and you might get it, too.

BEST response to a "fight" thread i have read so far on sosuave...

 

[Blackmm]

My 2 cents would be to just not hang out in areas where lowlifes frequent, not just to avoid getting spit on, but for hassles in general. I don't know if you were from out of town, but we all know the places in town that have those types of people in numbers. I work in a jail and you would think i would be bumping into ex cons all the time, but I don't because I chose not to go to those neighborhoods. I choose not to go to the mall or movies in "that" part of town. And I sure as hell don't PU in that part of town neither.

 

[DonGorgon]

you only fight when you have no other choice at all. Thank god I have never ben in a fight