"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I was dancing last night at a club minding my own business when a UG pulled my hand to dance with me,so i did for a bit and split (i barely know her anyway) then in a 1hour timespan 3 more did this same thing,last one was an hb7,at this moment my target sat down and smoked a cig.I don't remember exactly but i thought to myself something to the lines "im getting *****whipped over here" and right after "damn i must be hot or something".

Anyway i drop the hb7 and pulled the target girl that was sitting (hb7 too) and from just sitting there like a corpse she turned to a wild hellcat once we hit the dancing floor,she initiated all the kino and tried to kiss me but i teased her,unfortunately i couldn't complete the pu cause of an emergency and i left.Extra note: she has a bf i sorta know and i asked her where he is and she said "home and sleeping" , i took that as "im all yours" of course. :D

I went clubbing with the same group a couple times before but i had to initiate the dancing,what im asking is,is this a very strong IOI or im getting FZed and i don't know it? (talking about the rest of the group not the target girl)

I believe i'm getting adapt to reading people cause my gut just shouted "she sat cause she wants you to pull her!!" to which i listened to.I guess +1 for GI then.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Sorry to bump this but it's boggling my mind.Thanks in advance.
 

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I really don't try to argue cause and effect for specific events anymore. For one thing, it is completely impossible to have any internal validity under these kind of naturalistic observations, decay effects, and biases.

having said that, IOIs I've found in clubs:

Girls standing near or sitting near you so you can talk to them.

Girls creating phoney reasons to talk to you like acting mad which is almost always an ASD.. EX. "Hey saw you talkin to my friend earlier.. leaver her alone" really means "I want to talk to you but I dont wanna seem like a slut", or just using a situational opener on you.

All of a girls friends go to dance but she stays sitting. Obviously, both her friends approve of you and she wants to talk. Most times the guy will have to do the work of initiating talk though or she will leave in a few moments (I've tried waiting for them to open as a test).

Your friend is gaming some girl hard, then she asks you a question or looks at you and says, "is he serious". For some reason, when one guy games and comes off try-hard, they often turn to his friends or another male close by and then pursue him. I have seen these dozens of times. I don't understand it, I just know it happens.

Girl alone at bar. The common assumption is that her friends in her the bathroom. Sometimes (often) the friends are lingering nearby but there is some sort of conflict occuring. Contrary to popular belief, these are some of the best ones to approach. Unfortunately, you get some loonies from time to time.

You mention a place you will go later, her posse goes there. Chances are good that she wont approach or act aloof. I've seen this happen a lot. I'd suggest being seen talking to some hotties before reapproaching. That seems to work pretty well for one of my friends, I don't really do this myself.. I prefer to push a little harder initially. You also don't want to overdue talking to the hotties because if the girl just stands there glaring and feeling stupid, then it will turn her off. You want her to feel like she won you over despite how hot the girls were, not that you were more interested in the hotties than talking with her.

Kissing is a good IOI. It alone doesn't indicate any further happenings will occur. Girls kiss and make out with guys routinely. It really happens a lot more than most men probably realize, so girls tend to trivialize its importance. Nonetheless, a well placed kiss is a good sign.

Now the most important IOI is the two of you getting together outside the club.

Maybe/Maybe Not IOI:

Buying drinks for you isn't really as strong an IOI as guys tend to believe, IMO. Gettings girls to buy drinks is surprisingly easy.

Phone number. Girls give out #s like candy. Some are fake, some legit. It is not an indicator that she is going to meet you. Girls give out numbers so easily it isn;t even funny. As with many others, I suggest trading numbers for sure to contact one another, but only after you've pushed the interaction sufficiently far. If it comes from a cheesy bar makeout, it's also a good idea to place a follow up call the same night. If you wait 3 days to call, she may not even remember which one you were. SOme of the 'club girls' go out all the time. You will start to regocnize them after a while even in a big city. Depends on the girl of course, lots of 'non-club girls' will happen to be at club at any given time too.

Dancing: already been debated to h3ll and back. Very much depends on specific situation. In my case, dancing usually would lead to sitting at a table somewhere. Thats when you will kiss, trade #s, go home together. Almost always you will have to initiate, but every now and then the girl will say she wants to take you home. Some guys dance with the chick all night until the club closes and then makeout in parking lot with her. Sometimes the girl will flake and not talk you again though, so I suggest calling same night to show you care if you take this route.
 

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Yeah clubs are madhouses :p.It is odd though for a girl to initiate dancing, no? I've never seen it happen with physical contact,usually a girl that likes you may pull you if you're sitting or whatever but not on the dance floor :D

Another note regarding this:
All of a girls friends go to dance but she stays sitting. Obviously, both her friends approve of you and she wants to talk. Most times the guy will have to do the work of initiating talk though or she will leave in a few moments (I've tried waiting for them to open as a test).
It is extremely true,moments before i pulled my target a friend of hers tried to pull her on the dance floor to no avail.

The reason im really troubled is because these 4 girls didn't show any other IOI's beforehand or did anything else after i pulled my target girl,i will have to conclude that it was a jealousy chain-reaction or something and leave it at that.
 
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