"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
What's the best text to send after you get a number to set up the date ?
- Thread starter Thechamp
- Start date
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
amazingswayze
Master Don Juan
Once she replies and you get going, then you can say "What is your schedule like this week?" and then "I'll be going to (such and such) at (exact date and time, possibly with 2 days as an option) if you'd like to meet me for drink/dinner". For the love of God don't do coffee dates. Those were for lesbians in the 1990's. Coffee date 2015 = unemployed cheapskate trying to get laid for under $20.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
pyros
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I would meet her in the evening (not too early, not too late) and have a drink instead of coffee to set the right mood, though.
If you meet her at 16:00h for a coffee it could be a bit too "lets just be friends", but if she likes you it doesnt matter.
You don't text her. You call her with plans and set a date. Don't speak too long. 15 minutes tops and leave the conversation first.Thechamp said:
If you got her number online first text her another pic of you that looks great not on your profile. Have her send you one of her for your phone NOT one off her profile. A different one. (To make sure she is real, not using OLD pictures online etc.)
Then tell her in text I'm going to call you now. (You want to hear her voice). Talk 15 minutes TOPS. Have a PLAN and a PLACE to meet.
That's it.
Because the difference is a passive text with no voice attached and a MAN with a PLAN she hears in "3D" calling her and going for what he WANTS. She hears his voice and if she likes it it gets her more interested than just asking her by text.
Just DO NOT get caught up in long phone conversations no matter how much she tries to make you stay on the phone or how good the conversation appears to be going, laughing etc. as anything you may say these chicks run with and take it to outer space without saying anything then flake etc. 15 minutes TOPS and you exit first. No "interviewing" over the phone, no giving out too much details even IF she spills her guts to you or your mystery has been solved. Movie over. She's satisfied and wants the next man with a plan to meet who doesn't fall for it and remains mysterious and enticing. The call should be quick chit chat with a plan to meet and a place. The rest comes at the actual meet / date. You've been warned.
No reason to be texting a bunch of chicks from online all day.bigneil said:
bigneil said:
Has nothing to do with being a cheapskate. It is stupid to spend $183 for a 1st date on an online woman you never even met. The purpose of the date is not about how much money you spend. It is about if the woman is attracted to you. She will fvck you only if she is attracted. That will happen no matter if you spend $20 or $200. Spending more than you have to is dumb. You will have the same results anyway.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
RangerMIke
Master Don Juan
Yep... just call. I wouldn't even text her to ask to call I would just call. But there is nothing wrong with a text asking if she is free to talk. Just don't get in the habit of asking permission.MR.LPC said:
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
You got lucky, the problem with "can you talk right now?" is you are asking for permission. What if she responded "No, but I can talk in 2 hours." Then you reply "sorry, I'm at work in 2 hours, can you talk at 9 pm." "I'm at my sisters house at 9 pm, how about we talk tomorrow in class at 10 am." "OK, see you tomorrow in class." "have a good night." "You too." So you got about 10 texts going back and forth and nothing has been accomplished.
Just calling also is risky, because if she doesn't pick up the phone you leave a voicemail, then you have to wait for the whole night on the off chance she receives the message and decides to call you back, and then if she misses you you wasted the opportunity.
I would just text, then she can answer whenever she wants, after sleeping with her boyfriend or daydreaming about you, and you are not waiting by the phone all the time. :woo:
I didn't make up the average date statistics, I only reported them. Sorry if that hurts you but keep looking and you'll eventually find employment. Just know that you are below average when it comes to being a generous man.Peña said:
Why on Earth would you go on a date with a woman you never met? Talk about desperate. Online dating went out of style circa 2005.Peña said:
Working Example:
Meeting 1) Met gorgeous waitress (age 26) walking by and was so struck by her I stopped her and asked her name.
Meeting 2) The next time she came up to me and said "How do I know you?" She told me her birthday.
Meeting 3) I remembered her birthday and she was impressed. She asked where I was from and seemed really interested.
Meeting 4) (I was on a date but she smiled). I called her over and asked how many tattoos she had and she said one and she pulled up her shirt to show us.
Meeting 5) I asked "Are you single?" she answered yes. "Write your number down." She did. She introduced a friend and told her how smart I am. She then talked to me for a bit but I got out of there ASAP.
Text 1) Day after we met. I just said hello. No reply.
Text 2) That night I sent her a picture of my pet because she said she loves animals. She replied immediately and included a picture of her cats.
Text 3-5) Told her about a girl from her work she has asked about. That girl had gone missing but happened to text to me after 2 months by coincidence.
Meeting 6) I went to meet the second girl at a bar (her 21st birthday party) and ran into the waitress. I tried to avoid her but she came running over and put her cheek out for me to kiss. Then the birthday girl was all over me so I got out of there quick.
Text 6) I told her I had 2 tickets to a concert this weekend. I was going either way and had already paid for them. She said she had to work that night but would try to find someone to cover.
Text 8) (Next day) I offered to tip her friend if she covered for her and she said "Ok! I'll go!"
The tickets cost me 3 hours pay. All told, I will spend 5 hours pay on this date. I'm going to work 5 hours today (they pay OT at my work) to cover it. Concert is tomorrow. She will be one of my prettiest dates ever, and 19 years my junior.
bigneil said:
"Generous men" are beta buckers who need to be generous with their money or women will not have any interest. You have to spend a lot of money on women to get them interested giving them hundreds of dollars for their phone numbers and dates buying their time. Nothing is more beta and AFC than that. Having a good job with money does not require you to spend tons of money on women when you do not need to. Do not ever lose your job, because you will never get any more women without your beta bucks.
Really. That is is why tinder and dating sites are still popular for many people that use them.bigneil said: