"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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What yall think about using hookers?

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You know its so easy as it cuts out all the hard work. Dont need no game, status, conversation, looks etc...etc..Just a little $$$

For me:

+ves:
Dont need to talk to them/chat them up
Once had sex easy dont need to hang with them

-ves:
They may be infected
They may not allow and you prob wont want to kiss them
You only get short time with them and maybe just 1 orgasm
For time period its quite expensive I guess?
I hate the feeling that Im paying to have an orgasm around a female (I mean after I kum Im like damn that was a waste of $100 casue after you orgasm you feel a lot different than before when you were real horny)


Overall, its an easy way to get sex and sometimes with girls way above your league. I think if you are financially well off its a good option. If not then it kinda sucks.
 
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I personally don't see anything wrong with it. I would never use a hooker because it takes the challenge out of it. Its just not fun to me.
 

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I would say for many guys who are SUPER HORNY, its fine.

Try to find a couple of them and establish some kinda hooker-john relationship...makes it a little more personable.

Stay away from the Drug Users and your chances of not getting a STD are better.
 

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Logistical questions regarding club pickups

my bad...meant to post as new thread...sorry guys
 

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I see being with hookers as "the only reason she did it with me is because I paid her". So, it might be a quick fix but how does using a hooker show one has made any progress here after everything they've been taught on this site (which goes above and beyond just sex)
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I would never get a hooker. Those girls are filthy. Unless however you're talking about those high class escorts. I hear busy businessmen don't have time for relationships so they pay for these girls to give them the "girlfriend experience". Sounds like a good deal to me.

Honestly though, booty calls/FBs are where it's at. They have all the advantages of hookers and you don't have to pay for them. What else could you possible ask for?
 

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I would not pay for it at my current income level. But, I can see it being the most efficient cost-effective method if a guy

1. Is not looking to date or seek a relationship
2. Makes more per hour working (as a lawyer, CEO, entrepreneur) than he would spending all his time trying to pickup women at bars and clubs. Opportunity cost is something many guys forget about.....time is money.

As far as diseases go, generally the higher level escorts (ones making 300+ per hour) get tested regularly and are way less likely to have them than your typical street walker (which I would never do). I can't imagine your average bar/club skank being any cleaner either. I don't see why its a concern assuming you're smart enough to wrap it up regardless of whether she's a pro or not.

And yeah, no drama, awkwardness, broken hearts, crazy/stalker behavior, after you sex them. That can be priceless.
 
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Voice said:
I would never get a hooker. Those girls are filthy. Unless however you're talking about those high class escorts. I hear busy businessmen don't have time for relationships so they pay for these girls to give them the "girlfriend experience". Sounds like a good deal to me.

Honestly though, booty calls/FBs are where it's at. They have all the advantages of hookers and you don't have to pay for them. What else could you possible ask for?
yeh but you still got to be good looking and/or sociable to get decent looking FB easy.

Sure its better if you can noone would deny that.

I would only use hookers I find attractive and work decent place or agency. Off course more expensive though
 

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No problem. Health risk is the only thing that prevents me from doing it. Had Aids never existed, I would be all over them hookers like a sailor after a long sea voyage.
 

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PapiChulo said:
No problem. Health risk is the only thing that prevents me from doing it. Had Aids never existed, I would be all over them hookers like a sailor after a long sea voyage.
rofl! Imagine the day they find a cure for aid's hookers are going to have to turn customers down! Business will be very good for them for sure.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Never used one, never will, but I don't have a problem with others doing it or with the profession itself.

As the OP said, after the orgasm you're like "damn, that was a waste of money". I would feel the same way probably. Why not just rub one out and save yourself the $100 (or more)?
 

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I would never pay for sex, but then again.. I'm 22 and there are plenty of horny girls out there for me! Haha :)
 

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why waste your hard earned money on a wh0re. when you can ride a slut for free. doesn't make any sense to me.
 

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Getting laid is a big satisfaction for me, like an achievement. If you pay a hooker you haven't really achieved anything. So I guess it's only half the fun, haven't tried it though.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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f283000 said:
No comparison between rubin one out and going inside a woman. No comparison whatsoever....
until you have to pay and then leave.

beleive me I done it and even though it is better than masturbtaing. Once you get home and realise if you just jerked off you could have an extra $100 you are pretty mad unless your rich.

damn I could buy a video game or 3...or some other stuff with that money.

Obvioulsy when your horny and before you orgasm its a good idea lol
 
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Tortendieb said:
Getting laid is a big satisfaction for me, like an achievement. If you pay a hooker you haven't really achieved anything. So I guess it's only half the fun, haven't tried it though.
For me I dont care about that aspect lol...Id do a girl when shes sleeping lmao.

I just want them to touch my penis lmao. I could care 2 craps about any acheivment
 

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No comparison between rubin one out and going inside a woman. No comparison whatsoever....
This I know. Been with plenty of willing chicks for free.

I'd still rather do it myself and get the urge over with before spending money on it.

Besides, the first few times with a girl are often not the greatest sex-wise anyway. Until you know each others bodies the sex is usually mediocre (I'm expecting you and others to come back and tell me I'm wrong, but you'd be full of it). Why have mediocre sex with a stranger and have to pay for it, when you can give yourself a better orgasm in less time for free? AND not feel like a chump afterwards for spending money on it...

If I was filthy rich, she was super hot and young (and clean), and I had her for a week straight it MIGHT be worth it. MAYBE.

Otherwise I say snap the carrot and be done with it.
 

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There is an old saying that men have used in regards to hookers.

You don't pay for the sex, you have sex with a hooker and then you pay her to GO AWAY. No questions asked.

In other words, no drama, no phone calls, no texting, no worries.
 
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This I know. Been with plenty of willing chicks for free.

I'd still rather do it myself and get the urge over with before spending money on it.

Besides, the first few times with a girl are often not the greatest sex-wise anyway. Until you know each others bodies the sex is usually mediocre (I'm expecting you and others to come back and tell me I'm wrong, but you'd be full of it). Why have mediocre sex with a stranger and have to pay for it, when you can give yourself a better orgasm in less time for free? AND not feel like a chump afterwards for spending money on it...

If I was filthy rich, she was super hot and young (and clean), and I had her for a week straight it MIGHT be worth it. MAYBE.

Otherwise I say snap the carrot and be done with it.

Well when abroad in Europe amazingly hot hookers can be had for like 30 euros. In this situation its worth it.

I mean girls hotter than you could ever get and they type of girl youd be more than paying 30 euros to have sex with in real life. Then thats worth it
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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