"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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LTR is 30 minutes late for date. While waiting at meeting point you fone her to find out she has only left her house 5 minutes ago, she tries to act like nothing is wrong and doesnt acknowledge the situation.

The last time you had lateness issues was a year ago.

What do you do?

What do, you, do?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Ease,

Mate most guys here would overeact about something like that. Since she is an LTR I think it's safe to go on and have a little serious word with her. Actually, fvck it. I would have a word with her about it. In such a way that she'll know not to present that type of poor behaviour for a long-time.
 

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well its a LTR unless she she a decent reason shes too comfortable, and knows nothing will happen

a girl with high interest level AND knows you would walk wouldnt pull this crap...
either
1- she doesnt respect you too much anymore (compared to the start)
2 -lowering interst level over the LTR
3 -bit of both
 
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It doesn't matter if this is an ltr or a 1 week relationship. When your girl misbehaves you have to discipline her. You have to show her you are not a man that tolerates disrespect from anyone. The moment a girl starts walking over you and you let her slide is the moment she starts losing respect for you as a man.

When it comes to discipline you don't need to give her a 5 minute speech. Do what someone else did that all these b|tches and princesses admire and respect (their daddy's)

So what do you do? Tell her you want to have a quick word with her. Look her straight in the eye, serious tone, tell her you are not pleased and you expect her not to do that again ever, end the quick word with her and tell her not to bring the subject up again. Shouldn't take more than 20 seconds. If she ever brings up the subject again during the day (she will probably be apologizing) remind her that you thought you asked her not to bring the subject up again.

Disciplining b|tches is a great way to command respect.
 

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That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

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Why is she late? And what kind of woman is she?

If she is in a LTR with you I hope she's of the decent sort so express your displeasure and let it ride.

This "teach the ***** a lesson" advice could only come from people who haven't been in good relationships. Not for nothing, but if you try that with a confident and successful woman you will be out of there.

But if she's none of the above, go for it.
 

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FairShake said:
This "teach the ***** a lesson" advice could only come from people who haven't been in good relationships. Not for nothing, but if you try that with a confident and successful woman you will be out of there.
Confident and successful women usually go for equally or more confident and successful men. Not guys that will be left waiting 30 minutes on more because she's late and was just getting out of the house when he called her, and not give her a word about it. That's not a man that's a chump.

Women are attracted to men that command respect.
 

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Ease said:
LTR is 30 minutes late for date. While waiting at meeting point you fone her to find out she has only left her house 5 minutes ago, she tries to act like nothing is wrong and doesnt acknowledge the situation.

The last time you had lateness issues was a year ago.

What do you do?

What do, you, do?
I hate what if questions, is this about you or not?

Whether its an LTR or we just started dating, I wouldn't wait around for 30 minutes for her to show up. I can't think of the last time I waited 30 minutes for anybody to show up, I'd find something else to do. I'm not perfect when it comes to showing up on time, but I do call when I'm going to be late and I do apologize. In an LTR, I would hope that she has learned to follow my example and do the same.

If the situation you described happened to me, there would need to be some dialogue before we hang out again. Running late happens to everyone at some point, we all make mistakes, but what matters is how you handle it and what you do to prevent it from happening again.
 

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f283000 said:
Women are attracted to men that command respect.
And I can tell by your strongly typed words that YOU DO!

Listen, if you have a real live ACTUAL relationship that you enjoy and want to mess it up and lose it forever jump all over your girlfriend for every mistake and command respect with her constantly. It works.
 

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FairShake said:
And I can tell by your strongly typed words that YOU DO!

Listen, if you have a real live ACTUAL relationship that you enjoy and want to mess it up and lose it forever jump all over your girlfriend for every mistake and command respect with her constantly. It works.
Nobody is saying you have to discipline you girl for every mistake stop putting words in people's mouths.

It's disciplining her for misbehavior and disrespect if it is warranted and it definitely was in this situation.

She being late for a date which you probably had planned for days in advance and she had full knowledge of and no excuse to be late for = irresponsible behavior

She barely getting out of the house when you called her wondering where she was after 30 minutes of waiting = disrespect

She trying to act like nothing is wrong and not even apologizing = disrespect
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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FairShake said:
And I can tell by your strongly typed words that YOU DO!

Listen, if you have a real live ACTUAL relationship that you enjoy and want to mess it up and lose it forever jump all over your girlfriend for every mistake and command respect with her constantly. It works.
Right on, this isn't about "commanding respect" to attract women. This is about self-respect. For example, I wouldn't respect myself if I sat around for 30 minutes wondering why my gf isn't here yet. It has nothing to do with keeping her attracted or not.

I think some you guys get it, but many still seem to do things and take action based on how women will react to it. I do this too sometimes, we're not all perfect. But if we can be honest with ourselves and spot when we are supplicating to someone else's desires, then it becomes easier to kick that habit.
 

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I'm going to assume you have never been late in your life. And possibly never been in a real long term relationship in your life.

As someone who has been both several times in my life and isn't quite as perfect as you I can tell you that being late once a year isn't particularly disrespectful in the grand scheme of things. I've been late alot more this year and only apologize if it has become a habit.

If a good woman is on time every time for a year and late once starting drama will push her away. She will probably be late more often afterwards.
 

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FairShake said:
I'm going to assume you have never been late in your life. And possibly never been in a real long term relationship in your life.

As someone who has been both several times in my life and isn't quite as perfect as you I can tell you that being late once a year isn't particularly disrespectful in the grand scheme of things. I've been late alot more this year and only apologize if it has become a habit.

If a good woman is on time every time for a year and late once starting drama will push her away. She will probably be late more often afterwards.
True but you should at least address the fact that she was 30 minutes late. Ease says its a LTR, you don't want to make it so she's suddenly complacent and takes her time to get to you. The mistake many people in LTRs do is that they start letting things slide and it becomes bigger and bigger. If she's in a LTR for a year you should know whether her excuse is legit or she was just lazy or not that interested. Then depending on which you just take corrective measure...
 

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i dunno about you guys but i think i would let it slide & won't make a big deal about it.
 
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Seriious question Ease... why are you confronting us BEFORE you have addressed the issue with your woman?

Her being late may be an issue, but its not THE issue.

THE issue is you being uncomfortable with something and unable to communicate that to someone you are in a LTR with.

Is it safe to assume that she does not acknowledge the fact that you are dissatisfied with her? Does she know?

Respect yourself first. If you dont have respect for yourself than no one else will. Stand up for yourself. Dont sway on your beliefs. The longer you let things just "go as is" the worse things tend to get.
 

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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

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Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

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Firstly I agree that 'rules' of punctuality need to be discussed, understood and applied from the first outing. It does NOT matter whether you have dated her for 5 years or one day. In fact, if this is happened in an LTR, it means that she is comfortable and complacent and probably controls the frame and also believes that she can do whatever she likes without complaint from you...
The OP replied with some lame advice in other thread recently about lateness ..,and now his absence of an established response to careless lateness by his LTR is coming back to bite him in the azz.

The advice from FairShake belongs on LoveShack... it is 'ManginaSpeak'.
He( she? ) missed the point of the thread and took the initial question from Ease as an opportunuity to excuse her because they were in an LTR and "confident women" might react in ways that threaten the relationship.

The OP asked for advice in regard to acting and responding to her careless disregard for his time , not how to find a way to overlook her careless lack of courtesy because she might not like criticizm.
The objective here is to stamp out disrespect and rudeness in a way that eliminates it permanently.
The simplest way to deal with tardiness is to set IN STONE an arrangement that covers lateness.

This problem here is not about women occasionally being held up, or delayed in traffic or the like, it is about her believing that she has a license to mess around at home and depart 25 minutes late without a text or an apologetic phone call to him. Would she show up to the office one half hour late without calling in ?

This is what I do with a new woman on the first outing.
A new contender often asks , " Jophil, what happened in your last relationship..?" ( not that it is any of her business, but women just have to ask, it seems )

My reply, " Oh, she had some problems keeping her word. We had a firm arrangement that she would call or text if she was going to be TEN minutes late or more but she frequently chose to break our deal......(pause )... so it ended ".

IT is worth saying that just to watch and hear her response.
 

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Here's how it might have went down in my neighbourhood:

This suprised sh*t-test attack comes out of nowhere, catches the man off-guard; the oppurtunity to do the right thing is missed.

"wtf, you know what, go back home". It only occurs to me after the fone call, i gather my thoughts and am pissed off.

I walk up, but im in no good mood. I'm annoyed at her for ruining my night, and myself for missing the chance to teach a lesson.

I dont bring up the issue. We barely make eye contact, i reply with one-word answers. She tries to break the tension with affection, then by moaning, then *****ing. I almost lose my cool a few times, but she doesnt push it. She follows me to a place, i eat, she watches. After an hour and a bit of this, we part ways early on my request. She obliges but is getting more and more emotional. I say im tired and split.

In a perfect world, i would communicate my anger at her and tell her not to do it again. But when i'm pissed off with a girl, i find it difficult to talk to her properly untill i calm down. I don't think its the ideal way to deal with it, but this kind of unnessecery drama pisses me off to the point that i dont care. Next time it happens i hope it makes for a better story. I've never backhanded a girl before, but i'm not saying i won't consider it. She apologised by text that night and left calls the night after.

@Fairshake

There is a difference between a girl being late, and a girl challanging your authority. Unfortunately, girls do that. Life is hard.
 

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jophil28 said:
The advice from FairShake belongs on LoveShack... it is 'ManginaSpeak'.
He( she? ) missed the point of the thread and took the initial question from Ease as an opportunuity to excuse her because they were in an LTR and "confident women" might react in ways that threaten the relationship.
Pretty much spot on characterization of my post and maybe me (I prefer AFC beta fag myself). But I didn't miss any point since it was a question asking for our points.

My reply, " Oh, she had some problems keeping her word. We had a firm arrangement that she would call or text if she was going to be TEN minutes late or more but she frequently chose to break our deal......(pause )... so it ended ".
You know, I've never had a "frequent" problem with women keeping their word. Maybe I just have bigger ovaries than you my friend. Or, perhaps, I treat them right until they treat me wrong once too often. Then I leave. It's really the only way.
 

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Ease said:
LTR is 30 minutes late for date. While waiting at meeting point you fone her to find out she has only left her house 5 minutes ago, she tries to act like nothing is wrong and doesnt acknowledge the situation.

The last time you had lateness issues was a year ago.

What do you do?

What do, you, do?

SHOOT THE HOSTAGE.

Oh wait...


In all seriousness, it's probably even WORSE if the situation is an LTR. To be honest, if it's a new girl in your life and she's late 30 minutes and didn't even think to call to say she was running late, then it's grounds for disqualification.

But when it's an LTR, the whole deal is different because it's someone who seemed reliable enough that you decided to keep around...

But then she goes and pulls this, and not only that, but she didn't even THINK about calling to say she was running late. She CAN be late, but she should at least have the decency to give a heads up. If this were my business and she was an employee and this woman was on time, everytime and then all of a sudden she was late, not only 30 minutes, but decided she shouldn't have to call in late based on the fact that she's ALWAYS on time, then I'd start to worry.

A plate I've been seeing for a bit now is ALWAYS on time, and the ONLY time she's EVER been late... she called ahead of time to let me know she'd be running late. It's not only a "DATE" thing, it's a "common courtesy" thing.

I would do the same for ANYONE in my life: Friends, family, job, etc...

And as such, I expect the same.

So conclusion: It's not that she's late, it's that she didn't think so much of being late that she couldn't even have the common sense and courtesy to let him know in advance that she wasn't going to be on time. He should NEVER have to call to see why she is late, and much less she answer thinking that nothing is wrong.
 

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jophil28 said:
The advice from FairShake belongs on LoveShack... it is 'ManginaSpeak'.
He( she? ) missed the point of the thread and took the initial question from Ease as an opportunuity to excuse her because they were in an LTR and "confident women" might react in ways that threaten the relationship.
Exactly.
 

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She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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