What was the point of marriage?

[El Payaso]

I just watched Wolf of Wall Street and what stuck out to me was even with all the money he could ever need and access to all sorts of women. Why would he decide to get married to that Naomi girl?

He could have just fvcked her for a few months and moved on to another chick. He could literally fvck any woman he wanted at any time for the rest of his life. Why would he decide to settle down and open himself to the biggest scam known as divorce settlements? I don't get it.

 

[Mot1veProgress]

It's programmed into peoples heads. Marriage is a very ancient concept though.. It was considered an essential step in the cycle of life.. ie: get married, have a child.. No greater gift in the world than child birth right? I mean it's one of the only things we can prove that is legit a sign of where people come from.. the ability to create a human being ..

I used to be one of those people like " F-k marriage.. It's an institution, I'll never get married." .. all this bull****. These days I realized people who have that attitude towards marriage either legit wanna live life without a spouse.. or are cucks who are insecure that their wife will end up cheating on them or something will go wrong and cost money for a divorce.

 

[evan12]

Sometimes you want a meaningful relationship, beside marriage is the only way so far to raise a healthy children.

 

[wifehunter]

Family

 

[PeasantPlayer]

It's programmed into peoples heads. Marriage is a very ancient concept though.. It was considered an essential step in the cycle of life.. ie: get married, have a child.. No greater gift in the world than child birth right? I mean it's one of the only things we can prove that is legit a sign of where people come from.. the ability to create a human being ..

I used to be one of those people like " F-k marriage.. It's an institution, I'll never get married." .. all this bull****. These days I realized people who have that attitude towards marriage either legit wanna live life without a spouse.. or are cucks who are insecure that their wife will end up cheating on them or something will go wrong and cost money for a divorce.

But marriage is a social construct, its made up...its not necessary for the evolution of humanity. Why can't 2 people just be together with out being married with the piece of paper?

 

[pyros]

because if you dont 'get married' the relationship doesnt seem 'serious'. Whereas if you do, if you sign a contract, and you promis to God or to the State that you're gonna be with that woman, it becomes a pretty serious commitment for you, your woman, and for everyone.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

If you need a piece of paper to get "serious" you shouldn't get "married" two people can be with each other and not get married and raise a family. Its a stupid construct, I am also atheist so "god" means nothing to me

 

[Speculator E]

But marriage is a social construct, its made up...its not necessary for the evolution of humanity. Why can't 2 people just be together with out being married with the piece of paper?

Because most women want to be married like they want the fancy dinner on Valentines Day. Since we want to be with women we have to play along.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

If you need a piece of paper to get "serious" you shouldn't get "married" two people can be with each other and not get married and raise a family. Its a stupid construct, I am also atheist so "god" means nothing to me

Theres a bunch of social "constructs" that form the structure of society. If there was none we would live much closer to animals. A family unit is a good way to raise a family.

 

[YawataNoKami]

Men need to stop and ask, "Why exactly am I getting married? What exactly does marriage mean to me in today's world?" It is hardly a lifelong committment, because it can be reversed overnight.

Marriage was borne as a way for families to merge land/property, so maybe people should view it as just that. The rest of the hype is just bogus modern TV fantasy polluting the minds of today's impressionable youth, and a way to keep the $70 billion-per-year U.S. wedding industry chugging along. Perhaps the only criteria should really be "Am I excited to merge my finances with him/her?" Because, when all the fluff and hype are boiled away, that may be the only remaining reality. Don't believe me? Spend a day in divorce courts, and you'll see exactly what is real and tangible about marriage. You'll also see women who signed the marriage contract under romantic pretenses who are now expert laymen attorneys who can cite case law. Boquet throwing ex-brides now embroiled in warfare to get everything that's comin' to them! The rest are myths, lies, bold unsubstantiated promises, and maybes.....For better or worse.

The national divorce rate is 50%. However, I ask you, consider of the number of people who are in a bad marriage, but elect to stay. Men who don't want to lose 50%, ....women who know they can't support themselves alone, etc.Next, think of how many more couples stay together just for the sake of the kids. Of these, "forced marriages, consider how many of these marriages involve infidelity. A shot in the dark, but I estimate the percentage of happy and monogamous marriages to be under 5%. Are these odds you would take in a business venture? Or even a raffle ticket? Most of the risk-averse population would not. Yet they seek this exception to the rule everyday at the altar.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Couldn't have said it better Yawata

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Theres a bunch of social "constructs" that form the structure of society. If there was none we would live much closer to animals. A family unit is a good way to raise a family.

I agree and more disagree. Humanity will evolve away from "traditional marriage" and religions, and find better ways to raise a family. Let me rephrase that more efficient ways

 

[SmooveMooves]

In the past, marriage was necessary for financial and domestic success. A man would work to secure finances, then marry to unify & start a family. The man would continue to be the breadwinner while the mother took care of famial tasks at home. (Which is frowned upon now)

Modern day marriage is now impractical because it is no longer necessary for women to marry. Women are common in the workplace and government assistance makes a man worthless. In the past a woman needed a man should she want to live fruitfully. However now a woman can have 10 kids out of wedlock and never see an issue thanks to the good ole gov't.

The Gov't is not stupid, they know this and could improve the marriage system if they wanted to. However, the elites wanted the destruction of the Family Unit & for men and women to be at each others throats. (Which, look around, its already happening)

The elites then futher their agenda by blurring the gender line (rise of gender pronouns and many other sexual identities) As well as blurring the line between fantasy and reality. (Hollywood seems to depict alot of things that at glance seem far-fetched but in actuality, are more real than ever)

The world is batshìt crazy. The best thing you can do is be aware.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

It's a instinct, like eating or banging or wanting power. Compared to other primates, humans tend for form pair bonds. Since this is true across all societies and has been throughout all time, it's not really "socially programming."

The only time it doesn't happen is when guys have enough power money to KEEP several wives (not serially go through them) OR guys at the lower end of the social spectrum who had no access. They WANTED wives, but couldn't get them.

I suspect that trends in MGTOW is due to inaccessibility more than anything else. NEVER in the history of mankind has a man been able to GET a "suitable" wife and chosen not to.

Looked at from an evolutionary standpoint, kids of two parents where the man WANTED to stay with the wife his whole life, rather than be serially monogamous tended to have higher survival rates (and therefore male monogamy seeking genes) than kids from parents who bailed after fathering kids.

Since all of US are descended from those dudes, we all have those genes that make us WANT to find ONE WOMAN that satisfies us and KEEP HER our entire lives.

While you CAN consciously avoid this INSTINCT, it's pretty hard. Similar to going on a diet and sitting at a buffet and trying to ignore your hunger instinct.

THAT'S why the Wolf of Wall Street still felt compelled to hook up with ONE GIRL for life.

Money can't change millions of years of genetic programming.

ALL of our genes (including sexual desire) were programmed BEFORE money was invented.

(Think about that next time you complain you can't get laid because you don't have any money!)

 

[El Payaso]

It's a instinct, like eating or banging or wanting power. Compared to other primates, humans tend for form pair bonds. Since this is true across all societies and has been throughout all time, it's not really "socially programming."

The only time it doesn't happen is when guys have enough power money to KEEP several wives (not serially go through them) OR guys at the lower end of the social spectrum who had no access. They WANTED wives, but couldn't get them.

I suspect that trends in MGTOW is due to inaccessibility more than anything else. NEVER in the history of mankind has a man been able to GET a "suitable" wife and chosen not to.

Looked at from an evolutionary standpoint, kids of two parents where the man WANTED to stay with the wife his whole life, rather than be serially monogamous tended to have higher survival rates (and therefore male monogamy seeking genes) than kids from parents who bailed after fathering kids.

Since all of US are descended from those dudes, we all have those genes that make us WANT to find ONE WOMAN that satisfies us and KEEP HER our entire lives.

While you CAN consciously avoid this INSTINCT, it's pretty hard. Similar to going on a diet and sitting at a buffet and trying to ignore your hunger instinct.

THAT'S why the Wolf of Wall Street still felt compelled to hook up with ONE GIRL for life.

Money can't change millions of years of genetic programming.

ALL of our genes (including sexual desire) were programmed BEFORE money was invented.

(Think about that next time you complain you can't get laid because you don't have any money!)

Those are some good points but my confusion comes from the fact that even after he married this one chick. He was still sleeping and ****ing around with a ton of hookers so he clearly want lacking sex. He could have it wherever he wanted.

He was already getting tons of sex from her before he got married to her so it's not as if he needed to marry her to fvck her.

I don't get what was so compelling about her out of all the women he fvcked that her just had to sign away half of his wealth and his two kids away to her.

I guess I always thought wealth and access to hundreds of women would marriage seem pointless.

 

[Alvafe]

I just watched Wolf of Wall Street and what stuck out to me was even with all the money he could ever need and access to all sorts of women. Why would he decide to get married to that Naomi girl?

He could have just fvcked her for a few months and moved on to another chick. He could literally fvck any woman he wanted at any time for the rest of his life. Why would he decide to settle down and open himself to the biggest scam known as divorce settlements? I don't get it.

well first because it was a movie . but if you really want to know the marriage was first a way to hold resources, hence why the catholic church didn't wanted they priests marrying, they would lose some of they riches, also to make alliances, unity families, marriage was always a way to move things around, men needed a heir too, hence why they only marriage virgins, they had to know for sure the kids was his and there was not way to know for sure, save doing it like crazy with a virgin lol.

nowaydays?
still a way to keep resources and force people to follow a path, just think men and woman get paid the same, but who is more likely to spend everything? who is more willing to think at the future? and who is willing to make some savings? more likely the men, but they need taht money moving, and the best in doing so is having a woman get this money, its not new then goverments want more of our money so they can keep they live in luxury without doing anything important, its also too the old romantism of this, life forever ever happy, build a happy family, plus society standards, youa re supose to marry sometime in your life and build a family.

and when you go against the standard, the things people think is the absolute truth and show you are happy doing it, they have to think we in the end of the day are sad and lonely, if not damn they will go crazy, hence why religion is so big, you don't need to own your life, and be responsable for it, you can leave it in the hands of god and he will do everything for you, you don't need to worry, everything is planed and so on and on.

 

[badboyjmm]

There's no point, it just an emotional decision that is design to not hurt the woman's feeling.

Why indulge in something that has 50% of falling ? Will I drive a super old car knowing that in every 2 trips, there's one chance that it doesn't start ?

I don't want to be any woman's insurance policy when she decides that she needs to be out there and live the life of a 20-something chicks. You wanna go ? Leave

 

[JohnyTheArrow]

1) Comfort

Women can finally eat, men can stop being clean.All people are lazy and 'dating' takes a lot of energy to show your best sides, when you are married aka chained you can start showing what can of pig you actually are hoping other side commited big enough not to leave you.Thats why there are so many divorces - people who get married dont need to game each other but they are "just yourself".Not being married take a lot of money and time to keep up interest of the other side.

When you date hot chick you must have fashionable clothing,be clean, be fit, be funny, make some money - aka game, when you marry the hot chick you kinda feel you can now fart while watching together TV because she is your 'wife' aka lifelong partner.

2) Social pressure

You don't want your married friends to call you looser dont you ? Or creep ? Or weirdo ?

3) Goverment/media pressure

Married men are needed for economy.To die for politicians in wars(you tell them its for their families) To make other people rich (you tell them to provide for family) .... Marriage is base of economy.Marriage, divorce,kids needs ****load of money .... if you dont wife, kids .... you also dont need to make so much money and can laid back on beach ... and who the **** is gonna make rich people rich ?

4) Psychological

In prison biggest punishment is isolation.Men are getting married to not be alone being being alone is something not everybody can bear.Everybody fears being alone.

5) Economics

Hooker is 100$ per shot, good wife can save you 3000-5000$ on sex per month.
If you dont date - you spent less on dating and fashionable clothing.


I would say - main reason of getting married is fear of being alone.So people chain themselves with this contract to make sure they wont be abandoned easily.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Those are some good points but my confusion comes from the fact that even after he married this one chick.

Competing instincts. The desire for sex is irrational, not logical. The desire for a lifetime female companion is irrational, not logical. Both instincts.

Because of his status, he COULD manage to have both for a while. Satisfying TWO but seemingly OPPOSITE instincts.

Like if you were to go to the gym, take off your shirt and see girls respond to your six pack. Your INSTINCTS are telling you to improve your six pack so you can get more attention.

But your OTHER INSTINCTS are telling you shove cheeseburgers in your face.

Having hunter-gatherer instincts in a modern, post agricultural, post technological world causes all kinds of problems and mismatches.

If that same character lived a few hundred before, it would have been SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE to have a wife, and all kinds of girls on the side.

Check out Marco Polo on Netflix for a pretty accurate description. Kublai Khan had a loyal wife who HELPED HIM to bang all of his young stable of slave girls.

In fact, that's probably the IDEAL SITUATION for most men. A loyal, faithful wife who helps you build your empire which includes having a tons of side girls.

Some evolutionary psychologists argue this is the PRIME REASON all men crave power. Power allows for a loyal wife AND massive sex with new girls every day.

Unfortunately, the Union of Betas has outlawed that behavior.

A very interesting theory (in Matt Ridley's Red Queen) is that for about a thousand years, the SECOND BORN sons of wealthy families who didn't stand to inherit anything joined the church and slowly changed the rules so that ONE MAN could only get ONE WOMAN, as well as make it harder to marry your cousin to keep the wealth in the family.

A thousand year COLD WAR between the Church and the Landowners.

Landowners = Rich Alphas

Church = Butt Hurt Betas

 

[Mot1veProgress]

But marriage is a social construct, its made up...its not necessary for the evolution of humanity. Why can't 2 people just be together with out being married with the piece of paper?

It's true but it's hard to say what the true value of marriage is.. In some ancient civilizations, it was the key to life. This was before media programming or even electricity.

Now fast forward to when media came in.. That's when we were starting to get programmed into the "social construct". So it's hard to say whether it's justified if even in ancient times it was a thing, before social idealogies existed on a mass scale.


Marriage ends up being an investment. An emotional investment, A sexual investment, and even a financial investment sometimes. IT's an agreement between 2 humans that we're tired of dealing with relationships on and off and wasting time, emotions, etc.. And we want to dedicate ourselves to each other.. so we don't have to deal with the problems that other people are facing.

We often forget that while we see bad things about marriages ending in divorce, Alot of unmarried people are far more unhappy.. They go from relationship to relationship in a confusing spiral .. paying child support, having kids that grow up without the guidance of both a Mother and Father (two values that you should never discredit.. as for most of you, they're the reason why you are who you are today)

Not everyones a Don Juan or capable of being one. Remember that. Marriage has an insane level of value and in America we got so far with it in place.. It's only in the past 20 years that divorce and infidelity has been a big issue.