She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
She has a boyfriend won't that be letting her know that I want to **** her and I won't be a challenge ??TheMonkeyKing said:Bird: 'I'm having a bad day.'
TMK: 'Come over to my place and I'll put a smile back on your face.'
Done.
She has a boyfriend and if I said that won't she think this is to easy no challenge any more ? She's. 9 in the face ten if her body was betterTheMonkeyKing said:Bird: 'I'm having a bad day.'
TMK: 'Come over to my place and I'll put a smile back on your face.'
Done.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
What the f*ck does her having a bad day have to do with you then?Thechamp said:She has a boyfriend won't that be letting her know that I want to **** her and I won't be a challenge ??
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Hahaha lol if she says the same thing again I'll try come over to my place and I'll out that smile on your face !!MillionBillionaire said:"Awweee.. that's too bad.. I hate when that happens." Then get the f out of there.
Doesn't she have a boyfriend? Why bother? It sounds a bit needy/creepy to invite her over to your place.. huge waste of time trying to win her over. Instead use her for practice flirting.Thechamp said:Hahaha lol if she says the same thing again I'll try come over to my place and I'll out that smile on your face !!
MillionBillionaire said:Doesn't she have a boyfriend? Why bother? It sounds a bit needy/creepy to invite her over to your place.. huge waste of time trying to win her over. Instead use her for practice flirting.
I would go "Awweee.. that sucks.. I hate when that happens... (put on a big smile) ... soooo what else is new?" ... "Your looking peachy today.. I like your dress.. not bad for a Monday."
This is fine for a GF of like 6/12 - i.e. someone who actually warrants concern. However, this chick has a (different) BF; therefore we ask ourselves why she doesn't bother him with her woes.Frayzer said:Am I the only one who asks why and listens?
I'm not saying I do it every time something is up or "force" her, but I feel like most women just want to vent to someone without the other person doing anything but listening. They usually are relieved after but I follow a strict response route that involves trying to mix up her story, so she knows I'm listening, and NOT giving her advice
I personally don't think it's a good idea to be smooth when she says she's having a bad day or whatever. I at least pretend to be genuine!
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
MillionBillionaire said:Doesn't she have a boyfriend? Why bother? It sounds a bit needy/creepy to invite her over to your place.. huge waste of time trying to win her over. Instead use her for practice flirting.
I would go "Awweee.. that sucks.. I hate when that happens... (put on a big smile) ... soooo what else is new?" ... "Your looking peachy today.. I like your dress.. not bad for a Monday."
Thanks mansalinechow said:Whoaaa. Hold on a sec here. MB is usually a strong poster but I have some opposing viewpoints here.
OK. I get the sentiment of using her for practice flirting BUT...
1st. He is already to invested pedestalling her. Shes a 10! WTF. No she is not.
10's in my experience are about 1 in 500. Maybe even more rare than that. Anyway, you cant practice really on a girl you are already looking "up" too.
2nd. What about abundance theory? "Practice" on 50 other girls per week. Instead of biting your nails thinking of the next cool thing to say to some "user" Friendzoner" chick. Come on, dude, she has a BF! Look, I am not from either camp of steal or don't steal other dudes girls. However, I am from a camp of NOT trying to win a girl over by being her friend. Men are not hens. Dont coddle her bad day. Tell her to take a Xanax and talk to her hairdresser about it.
3rd. You should absolutely tell her you could make her feel better by coming over your place. You should absolutely ALWAYS take risks and escalate with women. CREEPY!? Absolutely not. You do indeed want to sleep with this woman correct? Then MAKE it happen or eject her a$$. Stop living in fear of creepy. If you believe she is attracted to you( you should ) and if she is (youll find out) than you wont be creepy by communicating your desire for her. AND for the love of everything that is worthwhile in this life DO NOT DO IT WITH COMPLIMENTS! WTF! Compliments are earned. Her mother, father, friends, and grandma all compliment her 500 times a day. Its white noise dude.
3a. So "Come over my house and Ill make it better" is a bit overbold for you and some others....??? Fine. I can understand that to a certain extent. So:
HB(not a 10): Hi Champ. I am having such a bad day. Blah Blah.
Champ: I know. It looks it. I can see it on you. You look like you can use a drink or 5. We are going to Chachkies later and Ill maybe Ill even buy the first round. You can tell me NONE about it then, because we will be having to nice of time to care.
HB: UM that sounds great but I dont think my BF would like that.
Now you have a few options
Champ: (Turn away and say nothing else ever. You only respond to her if she asks to be taken out)
Champ: Look, either he is an empty headed zero or he doesnt exist. Otherwise you wouldn't always be leaning on and flirting with me. So, Ill see you at 7.
Champ: You are right. He wouldn't like you flirting with me all the time either so we are right on track to start having fun together. I wont tell him. Hell find out when we get engaged.
Look, I am just shooting from he hip here. These suggestions are just that. Modify and criticize however you want. The idea though is this:
Stop orbiting her!!! Either crash land in her ocean and drown and be done with this nonsence or...glide land right into her panties.
Either way....escalate immediately. Find out where your ships course is headed and move in that direction regardless of outcome.
She will actually respect you for it. SHE WANTS you to take her man. Control your own fate and deal with it.
Nice dress.... F that noise.
Its only a nice dress if its on the floor of your bedroom.
Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door will be answered.
Stop standing in the hallway with women.
A 10. Phssst. Yea. Right. Till the next hotter one pays a little attention to you.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.