"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

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What to do if she tells you to stop

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Say you are making out w a girl, you escalate it by doing push pull ('we have to stop', then after a few minutes, start again). It starts getting really hot and heavy - you start going further, oral, hj's, bj's etc.

At some point before you get to full close, she tells you you're going too far and have to stop. So you keep trying push pull, but she tells you to stop at a certain point, say, she draws the line at oral. Is there anything else you can try besides more push pull to get her to go all the way?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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You're going all the way to oral and she's not willing to seal the deal? LOL

Sounds like either she's:

1. A virgin
2. Has been sexually abused

Try talking to her about it and see what she says.
 

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Whatever, Vypros. Everyone knows you are a virgin and the biggest AFC on here. I'm not taking any advice from you.
 

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If she says stop, then STOP. Don't pressure her to do anything...when she's ready/wants to have sex, she'll rip your clothes off and do it. If you want a girl who moves faster, then next this one and find another girl.
 

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Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Yeah I've always stopped.

This is only the second date so it's moving fast enough.

Just wondering if anyone knew of anything cool to say in these types of situations.
 

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Vypros said:
You're going all the way to oral and she's not willing to seal the deal? LOL

Sounds like either she's:

1. A virgin
2. Has been sexually abused

Try talking to her about it and see what she says.
WTF? Are you kidding me.

From the replies it seems like many of you guys know about LMR.

But anyway...if she is saying stop but still kissing and all that then its LMR. The only two things I really do to get passed last minute resistance is to just go back to kissing and all that. Keep working her up and try again if she still says stop then I'd do a freeze out.

It's usually after a freeze out that they become comfortable. But LMR tends to happen a lot. Many afc's just stop thinking Stop ment "Stop" really it means "Not now"

If she is still kissing and doing everything else then it isn't no real "Stop". Same with kissing if you go in and she pulls back, but your unreactive and she is still talking to you. Then it ment "Not right now".
 

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Snow Plowman said:
WTF? Are you kidding me.

From the replies it seems like many of you guys know about LMR.

But anyway...if she is saying stop but still kissing and all that then its LMR. The only two things I really do to get passed last minute resistance is to just go back to kissing and all that. Keep working her up and try again if she still says stop then I'd do a freeze out.

It's usually after a freeze out that they become comfortable. But LMR tends to happen a lot. Many afc's just stop thinking Stop ment "Stop" really it means "Not now"

If she is still kissing and doing everything else then it isn't no real "Stop". Same with kissing if you go in and she pulls back, but your unreactive and she is still talking to you. Then it ment "Not right now".

Yeah, she says 'not now' but is still kissing.

So I guess I"m doing the right thing, by what you wrote. Sucks though.
 

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ha ha ha... I left this one open cause I thought it was obvious, yes snowpatrol is right this is a LMR, but the tech used to pass this obstacle is not just kiss her and then keep kinoing her to submission.

What you have to do is freeze her out completely, she says stop you say "ok" turn on the lights and then go and do something else in the room like turn on the tv, etc. This is basically blowing her out of her depth by completely ruining the mood, she won't know what the **** you are doing and will want to get back in the mood (but its not you who wants it, its her who wants it). If you keep doing this when she tells you to stop stops she will concede a more every time.

I can’t remember who originally pioneered this tech (might have been style) but I hope it will be of some use.

Love

Amethyst
 

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amethyst said:
ha ha ha... I left this one open cause I thought it was obvious, yes snowpatrol is right this is a LMR, but the tech used to pass this obstacle is not just kiss her and then keep kinoing her to submission.

What you have to do is freeze her out completely, she says stop you say "ok" turn on the lights and then go and do something else in the room like turn on the tv, etc. This is basically blowing her out of her depth by completely ruining the mood, she won't know what the **** you are doing and will want to get back in the mood (but its not you who wants it, its her who wants it). If you keep doing this when she tells you to stop stops she will concede a more every time.

I can’t remember who originally pioneered this tech (might have been style) but I hope it will be of some use.

Love

Amethyst

You stumbled onto a general truth without even realizing it. And it works for all situations. You have to make HER want it!

Most guys try to push and push... but that doesn't change her feelings. You have to do a little head games to get her crazy for you. The easiest thing to do if you're in an AFC relationship is too see what she is doing that makes you want her. Usually its doing her own thing and not wanting to be with you... ;)

I bet if she asked you to **** her... you'd be taking of you pants before she even finished the sentence.

Good luck! and Play the Game
 

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The answer depends on how appealing a 15-25 year jail term is to you.

If The answer is no or not at all, then you stop

If you are indifferent or like the idea of free room and board then fvck the dirty anyway...

Now... let's hope you're not retarted.
 

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amethyst said:
ha ha ha... I left this one open cause I thought it was obvious, yes snowpatrol is right this is a LMR, but the tech used to pass this obstacle is not just kiss her and then keep kinoing her to submission.

What you have to do is freeze her out completely, she says stop you say "ok" turn on the lights and then go and do something else in the room like turn on the tv, etc. This is basically blowing her out of her depth by completely ruining the mood, she won't know what the **** you are doing and will want to get back in the mood (but its not you who wants it, its her who wants it). If you keep doing this when she tells you to stop stops she will concede a more every time.

I can’t remember who originally pioneered this tech (might have been style) but I hope it will be of some use.

Love

Amethyst
Cool you guys know about LMR and how to solve it. If she says stop just say "I understand" and do something normal. btw this is by MYSTERY!!

~Limerick, student of the Venusian Arts. =)
 

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What do all these abbreviations mean? AFC, DJ, WM.....I'm confused. Is there an abbreviation guide here?
 

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Limerick sorry about my error it has been a while since I read the Venusian Arts and all the text I have read sometimes the names get confused in my mind. The push pull theory was pioneered by Mystery.

Limerick thank you for correcting my error,

Love

Amethyst
 

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When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

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i think the continued kino'ing idea sounds more realistic than that Mystery technique
 

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You stop, don't whine or complain, and then a couple of minutes later you start again and make her say 'no' again. When she says 'no,' she really means, 'not yet.' Five minutes later, she may feel differently.
 

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If she says stop and you can tell she means it then obviously stop...if she's just showing mandatory ASD then you can get around it with a line or routine or whatever.

But if you're good enough at oral I very much doubt that she won't let you go the whole way unless she's a complete biatch...I'd say get better at oral....like, really, really good...there's loads of good stuff on the internet, it shouldn't be too difficult.
 

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Always been a fan of the line "You can stop me whenever you want. But whatever happens will all be MY fault. But whatever doesn't will all be YOURS."
 

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Bible_Belt said:
You stop, don't whine or complain, and then a couple of minutes later you start again and make her say 'no' again. When she says 'no,' she really means, 'not yet.' Five minutes later, she may feel differently.
Yes true, but be careful about this one... legally speaking (aka in front of a judge) if she says (Quote / EndQuote) " NO " and you had sex a half hour later, the judge will look at you and say 'so she said 'no' and you did it anyways?'
"Yes" you'll say.
"Very well, you are guilty of rape."

Unlikely but be careful with this one... even a 'I don't think we should" is different than "no'.
 

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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

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