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What to do if a girl says she's ugly?

SinJester

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What do you say? Is it a sh!t test? Why do they do it? Fishing for complemets I guess. Still I never have any idea how to answer it.

What do you guys suggest?
 

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Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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All you have to say is "you're not ugly, you're just facially challenged"
Ahahaha hahahaha! That's gold, I love it. Used it already!

"I've seen worse" playfully
lol I can see that working.

I was talking to a girl about how girls always say stuff like that and she actually said "Most guys go for the "No your GEORJUS" line'.
 

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If she says that she's seeking approval from you. In that moment I probably would have said "Don't say that, you need to learn how to respect yourself." But please, just don't say "No, you're beautiful!"
 

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She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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The last time I encountered this situation she told me she was "fat". I countered with that tired AFC line "I think your beautiful".

The night ended with her kicking me out of her house flat on my a$$ and I haven't talked to her since. I think most of the board knows about my new years eve disaster.

Since then, I have been practicing the negs and I must say, they seem to work. So far I have told the new girl she is lazy, picky, a brat and immature.. Not in those exact words but you know what I mean right?

I have spaced it out and I compliment her too. I admit I feel bad after I neg her, and I don't really know what she thinks about it. But, she hasn't flaked on me yet, has been staying over for 3 straight weekends and we have plans tonight.

Also, she has negged me a couple times too! I don't know if she is doing it on purpose or not. Who woulda thunk it???
 

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It raises two red flags: she's a LSE and an AW. You can neg her on her AWing if she's attractive and is just fishing for approval.
 

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selfmademob said:
All you have to say is "you're not ugly, you're just facially challenged"
Skel said:
"I've seen worse" playfully
No No NO!!

This type of C/F has the potential to backfire big time. Women are insecure creatures and sometimes what look like a sh1t test is an actual feeling of being insecure about their looks. Yes I agree you shouldn't do the AFC thing and say some stupid sh1t like "you are crazy!! you are so pretty!!!" but a line that worked for me before:

Girl: " I feel that I am ugly"
DJDAMAGE: "hmmm Lets take a look (raise her chin slightly up and give her a seductive I want to fvck you stare in the eyes) "If you were ugly I wouldn't be looking at you like I am looking at you now"
Girl: (Blushes giggles) "You are smooth DJDAMAGE"
DJDAMAGE: Smooth is my middle name.

Yeah it does sound corney but it worked! chicks eat that up with a spoon!
 
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DJDamage makes a good point.

When I told her she is a brat, she got upset and pouted, and started telling me about how she got made fun of all the time when she was a kid!!!

Is this a good reaction to get when you neg her? I panicked and consoled her and let her know I was just joking.

I don't think you want that type of reaction when you neg, do you??
 

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DJDamage said:
"hmmm Lets take a look (raise her chin slightly up and give her a seductive I want to fvck you stare in the eyes) "If you were ugly I wouldn't be looking at you like I am looking at you now"
I like it a lot, I'm stealing this from you.
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

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My Name is Nobody said:
Is this a good reaction to get when you neg her?
NEGS are for bar chicks and models who think the world need to kiss their arse. This was not a positive feedback from your lady and I don't see telling someone as being "brat" warrant that kind of reaction unless your girl has some serious issues.

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I panicked and consoled her and let her know I was just joking.
If there is anything worse then giving them a bad neg is also have to appologize for it, that is a double whammy.
 
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DJDamage said:
NEGS are for bar chicks and models who think the world need to kiss their arse. This was not a positive feedback from your lady and I don't see telling someone as being "brat" warrant that kind of reaction unless your girl has some serious issues.



If there is anything worse then giving them a bad neg is also have to appologize for it, that is a double whammy.

So now negs are only for 10's and women you don't know? I thought you were supposed to use negs throughout a relationship to keep her on her toes.
 

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"Stick with me and you'll be pretty.."
 

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Jitterbug said:
It raises two red flags: she's a LSE and an AW. You can neg her on her AWing if she's attractive and is just fishing for approval.
A BPD girl I was involved with (didn't know it at the time) and I were "getting back together" and I saw this crazy side of her when we went to lunch one day. She started going on and on about wanting plastic surgery, that she hated her nose, that she wanted her lips worked on, that she hates her face, never saw her talk like that before. Scared the hell out of me because it was disturbing. She was really getting into it.

Yeah she was extremely hot. I couldn't understand it. I probably said something like "are you serious?" and "you look fine".
 

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NO NO NO NO NO, such horrible advice here! Negs are used are used to DHV (demonstrate higher value), and to disqualify "CONFIDENT WOMEN". You don't disqualify someone that is already disqualifying herself to you. She already thinks that your better then her, you'll actualy need to show some IOI (indications of interests), and start qualifying her.

Also a lot of guys, make the mistake in jumping into there sh!t test. If a girl starts talking about how ugly she looks this is a sh!t test too see your reaction. At this point I would totally ignore her sh!t test, and start qualifying on other traits that aren't biological, her sense of style, her fun personality, ect.

Do not use negs in the whole relationship, it should only be used for building attraction. Nobody wants to stay with an ignorant jerk.
 

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DJDamage said:
No No NO!!

This type of C/F has the potential to backfire big time. Women are insecure creatures and sometimes what look like a sh1t test is an actual feeling of being insecure about their looks. Yes I agree you shouldn't do the AFC thing and say some stupid sh1t like "you are crazy!! you are so pretty!!!" but a line that worked for me before:

Girl: " I feel that I am ugly"
DJDAMAGE: "hmmm Lets take a look (raise her chin slightly up and give her a seductive I want to fvck you stare in the eyes) "If you were ugly I wouldn't be looking at you like I am looking at you now"
Girl: (Blushes giggles) "You are smooth DJDAMAGE"
DJDAMAGE: Smooth is my middle name.

Yeah it does sound corney but it worked! chicks eat that up with a spoon!
Good stuff and I bet it would work more times than not. But what if it comes up again? And again? And again? Like someone said earlier she could be an AW, more specifically she is feeling self conscious. It could be a one time thing, a short time phase or possibly a permanent thing that will come back to haunt you repeatedly though the entire relationship! :nervous: But how do you know? You ask...

"Ugly? Why would you say that??"

Yeah, you could be setting yourself up for anything ranging from her being upset that she's bloated (that time of the month) to something that her mother told her when she was 8 years old after her second dog died, her little sister called her a doo-doo head and her aunt telling her she has boobies like a boy at the last family outing.

Whatever the case may be finding out up front will at least let you know what's lying beneath. Besides, asking her this counts as the type of intimacy that women say that they want from us which doesn't include exchange of bodily fluids (at least not right away).
 

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DJDamage said:
Alright but make sure you do it right with confidence, otherwise she will sneer at you for pretending to be suave.
Yeah that has happened to me when I first started out, I've been through my hurdles lol.

I love using lines which leads to kino. I think they're the most powerful attraction magnet a DJ could use. It's like the effect is 2x more.

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"Stick with me and you'll be pretty.."
More ammo to add in my arsenal!
 
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