"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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What to chat about at a bar?

Groverz

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Wondering what kind of things you guys chat with at a bar/club ect with other guys, not just women. If I am out with a girl I think it would look good to chat up and shoot the **** with not just girls but guys too. I think the girl might find it impressive if I can make friends and shoot the sht with just about anyone in a bar. Just not sure what to chat about. My background is mostly computers so most people have no idea what I am talking about if I chat about tech stuff.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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FairShake

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With girls: TV shows, movies, food, music, pets, observation of people in the bar or that we know and the dynamics between the two.

With guys: Sports, pvssy, movies, beer/stories involving beer, food, ways to make money, music (I'm a musician and when I meet another musician it's great), dude hobbies like golf (not so much for me), fishing, or poker.

I love to talk politics and religion with both girls and guys but I save that for my friends and not just random people I meet at the bar. Although I am a pretty inoffensive person both in personality and politics you just never know.
 

PlayHer Man

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Chat with guys because you actually want to chat with them. Don't do it to impress girls.

Clubs are probably the worst place on earth to meet girls. This is the only setting where I lie shamelessly to the girls I meet. They are throw-away trash anyway so why not? Club girls are into the fabulous lifestyle so you basically do best making empty, but impressive promises. After they f*ck you.. vanish forever. :up:

If you're looking for anything more than a ONS from a club girl you're a moron. Most are gold diggers, b!tches, skanks and sluts. The rest have boyfriends and a rare few are only there for a special event (birthday usually) and have no interest in meeting men.

Bars are different and have a wider variety of girls. At bars I size girls up first and see which girls seem open to meeting a guy vs. just there with friends. I'll usually ask a girl what she is drinking to start a conversation. Then I ask her questions that give me insight:

-Are you in college?
-Do you party a lot?
-Are you a tourist?

Then its just heavy flirting and touching.. yes touching. The bold move wins. If a woman lets me get away with bold behavior like touching her I know she thinks I'm sexy. I touch her face, hair, ass, boobs, etc.

I've only had a woman make a scene once. Usually they just let me do it or push my hands away and try to get away from me. You learn a lot about a woman by forcing her to react or make decisions. Once your hands are on her butt.. there is no mind game or manipulation she can really pull. Either she is ok with it or she isn't.

Physical contact is the moment of truth. :up:
 

Scaramouche

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Dear Grover,
Well all the advice above is great...have you thought about jokes? as someone else said no Politics or religion,nothing deep,profound or esoteric!
 
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