Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

Read more...

What separates an HB7 from an HB9?

Dan.Lifestyle

Don Juan
Joined
Aug 24, 2019
Messages
68
Reaction score
42
Age
32
Location
Cali
Overthinking for fun.

****ed an HB7 last night. She hit me up over snapchat(around 2am) I invited her over to smoke, went as smooth as could be.

So today, I can't help but think, what's the difference? Why don't "models" do this? If I make more money, drive a nicer car, have a bigger social circle, is that the only way to attract these girls? Doesn't that seem like playing into the problem?

I think it might legitimately be the infamous pedastal we put girls on. We don't put HB7s on pedastals, so they never get a big head. But "pretty" girls get blown up all the time.

So, how do we beat this? How do we, after judt meeting these girls who have multiple guys telling them their looks make them valuable, unwork this mindset? So they don't act like their looks hold any sway?

(Hopefully this post makes sense!)
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

Read more...

zekko

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 6, 2009
Messages
16,755
Reaction score
9,953
How do we, after judt meeting these girls who have multiple guys telling them their looks make them valuable, unwork this mindset?
Your own post is saying their looks make them valuable.
 

Dan.Lifestyle

Don Juan
Joined
Aug 24, 2019
Messages
68
Reaction score
42
Age
32
Location
Cali
Your own post is saying their looks make them valuable.
Well I'm being honest of course. For example I'm very into the nightclub business and pretty girls can actually create more money. So in more than a few ways you can you argue they're more valuable, yeah sure. What am I'm asking then is there no way to get around the value game? The whole "I've got to appear more valuable than her" schmuck. Is there no way we can get these girls to drop the act and just connect like regular people?(by that I mean people who aren't regularly placed on a pedestal)
 

mrgoodstuff

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
17,586
Reaction score
11,948
Location
DFW, TX
Well I'm being honest of course. For example I'm very into the nightclub business and pretty girls can actually create more money. So in more than a few ways you can you argue they're more valuable, yeah sure. What am I'm asking then is there no way to get around the value game? The whole "I've got to appear more valuable than her" schmuck. Is there no way we can get these girls to drop the act and just connect like regular people?(by that I mean people who aren't regularly placed on a pedestal)
Perhaps its why some neg an insecurity or treat them like dirt.
 

zonn

Don Juan
Joined
Sep 15, 2015
Messages
57
Reaction score
12
They sexual market value is high. If yours was on the same level, they'll drop through "act" and treat you as an equal.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

Read more...

Augustus_McCrae

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 3, 2012
Messages
907
Reaction score
1,020
Overthinking for fun.

****ed an HB7 last night. She hit me up over snapchat(around 2am) I invited her over to smoke, went as smooth as could be.

So today, I can't help but think, what's the difference? Why don't "models" do this? If I make more money, drive a nicer car, have a bigger social circle, is that the only way to attract these girls? Doesn't that seem like playing into the problem?

I think it might legitimately be the infamous pedastal we put girls on. We don't put HB7s on pedastals, so they never get a big head. But "pretty" girls get blown up all the time.

So, how do we beat this? How do we, after judt meeting these girls who have multiple guys telling them their looks make them valuable, unwork this mindset? So they don't act like their looks hold any sway?

(Hopefully this post makes sense!)
Their SMV is so high that they have their pick of who they want to bang. If you were Leonardo Decaprio, would you be banging 9’s ands 10’s or 6 and 7’s?

-Augustus-
 

zekko

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 6, 2009
Messages
16,755
Reaction score
9,953
Well I'm being honest of course. For example I'm very into the nightclub business and pretty girls can actually create more money. So in more than a few ways you can you argue they're more valuable, yeah sure.
There's no question they're more valuable. It just kind of sounded like you were blaming their high SMV on those pesky guys who are telling her that her looks make her valuable. It's not those guys, it's a fact, her looks make her valuable.

When some guy here wants to brag, he says he dates HB9s. Guys here confirm repeatedly that we don't care about a girl's career, it's her looks that make her attractive. So yeah, the best looking girls have the highest SMV.
 

Hal9000

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 2, 2019
Messages
876
Reaction score
1,275
Why would a "model" go hang out at someones house she just met on Snapchat? Why would any quality woman? Do you go to the old folks home to find women to date? Why not?
 

mrgoodstuff

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
17,586
Reaction score
11,948
Location
DFW, TX
There's no question they're more valuable. It just kind of sounded like you were blaming their high SMV on those pesky guys who are telling her that her looks make her valuable. It's not those guys, it's a fact, her looks make her valuable.

When some guy here wants to brag, he says he dates HB9s. Guys here confirm repeatedly that we don't care about a girl's career, it's her looks that make her attractive. So yeah, the best looking girls have the highest SMV.
SMV == SEXUAL MARKET VALUE. It has nothing to do with whose the highest quality person, the strongest financial earner or the best relationship worthy person.

Can we figure out from our collective wisdom that perhaps really high SMV is a terrible choice for a gf or wife? Perhaps its best as a man to have at least 1 SMV pt higher than a woman you use for that purpose? And even then she can still cheat due to insecurity.
 

Dan.Lifestyle

Don Juan
Joined
Aug 24, 2019
Messages
68
Reaction score
42
Age
32
Location
Cali
Good replies, first time I've heard the term SMV. But it's a good way to explain it for sure.

Can we figure out from our collective wisdom that perhaps really high SMV is a terrible choice for a gf or wife? Perhaps its best as a man to have at least 1 SMV pt higher than a woman you use for that purpose? And even then she can still cheat due to insecurity.
This seems to be a good idea. I mean if it's got to be a battle of SMV then of course the one who has higher value is in control. Not too high mind you or yes they'd would more than likely cheat because of insecurity.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

Read more...

Dan.Lifestyle

Don Juan
Joined
Aug 24, 2019
Messages
68
Reaction score
42
Age
32
Location
Cali
Why would a "model" go hang out at someones house she just met on Snapchat? Why would any quality woman? Do you go to the old folks home to find women to date? Why not?
To be fair, most 20 somethings use snapchat/instagram so once they're built up its not impossible. Same core DM function. It's just about becoming the guy she wants to chat with. That liking all your posts and commenting on your ****? Modern day IOIs
 

Dan.Lifestyle

Don Juan
Joined
Aug 24, 2019
Messages
68
Reaction score
42
Age
32
Location
Cali
Perhaps its why some neg an insecurity or treat them like dirt.
I thought of this as I was typing my first post. Not to say it wouldn't work but it'd be pretty temporary i'd imagine unless the girl wasn't smart enough to put two and two together that your SMV really isn't actually higher haha

No what Im learning from the replies here is that Market Value is the way to go. There's tons of ways you can express that and make that higher and I like that.(ex: Social circle, pre-selection, Insta, etc.)
 

Visionist

Master Don Juan
Joined
Mar 27, 2016
Messages
837
Reaction score
876
Age
38
Pre selection is mad stuff. Take a 7 walking down the street, hand in hand, and watch literally every single girl rubberneck like crazy eyeing you up and her, comparing herself to your girl and looking at you like a prize, even if you look like sh!t.

Now imagine taking a 9 hand in hand down that same street.

Finally, imagine just walking down that street alone. Unless you're a model, few women even notice you exist.

As for the hand holding, it should happen as soon as the date starts. She must comply, or be Nexted.
 

mrgoodstuff

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
17,586
Reaction score
11,948
Location
DFW, TX
All women cheat. At all levels. The stairs dont stop at floor 1 or 200. Whatever sexually turns you on is your desire. Dknt be afraid of the hot girl. Thats were the pedestal lies. As soon as you fear her leaving you its game over for your pathetic soul.
Yeah but do you sign up for the "hotgirl" bullshyt when a female a level down will still sexually satisfy you and offer more perks and benefits and less bullshyt?
 
Top