spinaroonie
Senior Don Juan
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2009
- Messages
- 318
- Reaction score
- 27
... actually bring girls home?
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
What % of Guys at a Bar/Club on a Given Night...
- Thread starter spinaroonie
- Start date
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
It doesn't matter how many guys bring girls, what matters is whether one guy (you) brings a girl home. Don't worry about the other guys unless your game is so tight you don't have to worry about yourself.
Mike32ct
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2007
- Messages
- 8,411
- Reaction score
- 5,176
Most of the couples you see leaving the bar are probably bf/gf that arrived together. Others are social circle hookups where they either already knew each other or were introduced by a friend. However, if you get there early and observe the entire night, you will see a small percentage of total strangers that met that night that are leaving together.
I would guess about 1 to 10 percent are same night lays of people that have never met before. I'm just referring to your average bar or club. Certain nightlife hotspots could be much higher. However, generally, that 80/20 or 90/10 rule really does apply here, roughly speaking.
Of course, this is only one night stands. There are a LOT of number closes that happen too. Most number closes from bars and clubs turn out to be flakes, but there are some couples that meet one night and really WANT to hook up that night, but the logistics are not favorable. She doesn't want to look like a sl*t in front of her gfs, so she exchanges numbers with a dude and maybe fawks him discretely on a Day 2. Or he might "booty text" her after her gfs drop her off at home.
I would guess about 1 to 10 percent are same night lays of people that have never met before. I'm just referring to your average bar or club. Certain nightlife hotspots could be much higher. However, generally, that 80/20 or 90/10 rule really does apply here, roughly speaking.
Of course, this is only one night stands. There are a LOT of number closes that happen too. Most number closes from bars and clubs turn out to be flakes, but there are some couples that meet one night and really WANT to hook up that night, but the logistics are not favorable. She doesn't want to look like a sl*t in front of her gfs, so she exchanges numbers with a dude and maybe fawks him discretely on a Day 2. Or he might "booty text" her after her gfs drop her off at home.
spinaroonie
Senior Don Juan
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2009
- Messages
- 318
- Reaction score
- 27
Interesting. Anyone else?
Jeffst1980
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Apr 22, 2008
- Messages
- 834
- Reaction score
- 131
A very small percentage. Same night pulls happen either as a result of phenomenally tight game, or out of a girl's need for validation. Most people enter and leave clubs with their social circle. Most hookups come from their social circle, as well; I'm a big proponent of cold approaching to expand one's circle, instead of going for the quick close.
If you want to increase your chances, go out alone and get used to opening random sets. Usually, your friends will hold you back unless they are REALLY good with women, and having more people around makes it more difficult to extract and isolate. Also, the logistics of driving, etc. can make same night pulls difficult.
Also, going to multiple venues in a night to look for girls is a very bad strategy. Pick one place and arrive early, then stay there for a few hours. This way, you will hopefully build some social proof and be in a good position to attract newcomers later in the night. The guys with the LOWEST social value are the guys that roll in at 2 am with no girls; their desperation is apparent to all.
If you want to increase your chances, go out alone and get used to opening random sets. Usually, your friends will hold you back unless they are REALLY good with women, and having more people around makes it more difficult to extract and isolate. Also, the logistics of driving, etc. can make same night pulls difficult.
Also, going to multiple venues in a night to look for girls is a very bad strategy. Pick one place and arrive early, then stay there for a few hours. This way, you will hopefully build some social proof and be in a good position to attract newcomers later in the night. The guys with the LOWEST social value are the guys that roll in at 2 am with no girls; their desperation is apparent to all.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
initiatorhater06
Don Juan
- Joined
- Jun 30, 2010
- Messages
- 193
- Reaction score
- 7
a girl can go out to a bar or a club, and if she really wants to, she can go home with a guy, a guy can go out to a number of bars or clubs, and there is no guarantee he will leave with a girl
spinaroonie
Senior Don Juan
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2009
- Messages
- 318
- Reaction score
- 27
Thanks Captain Obvious.initiatorhater06 said:a girl can go out to a bar or a club, and if she really wants to, she can go home with a guy, a guy can go out to a number of bars or clubs, and there is no guarantee he will leave with a girl
lynch1000s
Don Juan
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2005
- Messages
- 102
- Reaction score
- 3
If they know the girl beforehand, it is higher, if they don't know the girl before hand, maybe like .05% (guessing).
I mean, I've known guys to bring a girl home, but even after that, the girls usually still bolt in the morning, and don't respond.
So if you think that a lot of guys are bringing girls home at a club or bar, they aren't.
I mean, I've known guys to bring a girl home, but even after that, the girls usually still bolt in the morning, and don't respond.
So if you think that a lot of guys are bringing girls home at a club or bar, they aren't.
spinaroonie
Senior Don Juan
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2009
- Messages
- 318
- Reaction score
- 27
To the playas on this board with high lay counts:
1) What's the key to racking up lays?
I'm thinking it's just to go out a lot, approach a lot, alcohol, and tight game. Given you hit the bars every weekend, and assuming you pull 1 out of every 4 nights you go out, that's about 10 lays/year. At this rate one can easily rack up 40 lays by age 25. Are my numbers accurate?
2) How do you identify which girls are down-to-fvck, and which ones are a waste of time? It's a numbers game but time is finite. How do you weed out the attention who-res, the prudes, the ones there to "just dance" etc. Much of the game is identifying the right girl at the right time in the right emotional state. After years of hitting the bars, I'm sure some of you with high lay counts have honed your DTF radar. What are the signs?
The path to increase your notch count is just going out a lot and approaching a lot of girls. But the key is to up your hit-miss ratio.
1) What's the key to racking up lays?
I'm thinking it's just to go out a lot, approach a lot, alcohol, and tight game. Given you hit the bars every weekend, and assuming you pull 1 out of every 4 nights you go out, that's about 10 lays/year. At this rate one can easily rack up 40 lays by age 25. Are my numbers accurate?
2) How do you identify which girls are down-to-fvck, and which ones are a waste of time? It's a numbers game but time is finite. How do you weed out the attention who-res, the prudes, the ones there to "just dance" etc. Much of the game is identifying the right girl at the right time in the right emotional state. After years of hitting the bars, I'm sure some of you with high lay counts have honed your DTF radar. What are the signs?
The path to increase your notch count is just going out a lot and approaching a lot of girls. But the key is to up your hit-miss ratio.
People bring girls home more than you'd think.spinaroonie said:To the playas on this board with high lay counts:
1) What's the key to racking up lays?
I'm thinking it's just to go out a lot, approach a lot, alcohol, and tight game. Given you hit the bars every weekend, and assuming you pull 1 out of every 4 nights you go out, that's about 10 lays/year. At this rate one can easily rack up 40 lays by age 25. Are my numbers accurate?
2) How do you identify which girls are down-to-fvck, and which ones are a waste of time? It's a numbers game but time is finite. How do you weed out the attention who-res, the prudes, the ones there to "just dance" etc. Much of the game is identifying the right girl at the right time in the right emotional state. After years of hitting the bars, I'm sure some of you with high lay counts have honed your DTF radar. What are the signs?
The path to increase your notch count is just going out a lot and approaching a lot of girls. But the key is to up your hit-miss ratio.
1. Same thing you said basically. Go out 2+ nights a week, approach and escalate with 10+ girls a night. If you're new, it'll take a few months to start seeing results. Otherwise you can pull anywhere from once a month to every night you're out.
2. This is going to sound obvious, but you just escalate fast and see what happens. Girls who are DTF will fvck you. Girls who aren't will leave.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
2) How do you identify which girls are down-to-fvck, and which ones are a waste of time? It's a numbers game but time is finite. How do you weed out the attention who-res, the prudes, the ones there to "just dance" etc. Much of the game is identifying the right girl at the right time in the right emotional state. After years of hitting the bars, I'm sure some of you with high lay counts have honed your DTF radar. What are the signs?
Good call, finding the DTF ones is actually the difficult part here. I won't claim to have that down.
At the right venue, i can get my "hook up" count to close to 90%. When I say right venue, I mean a ratio close to half and half...not an awful venue or an odd night where nothing much is going on. Of those, one can get most of those phone #s for later , but those seldom pan out. Of the "hook ups" its a fairly small %, less than 10% i'd say for DTF.
Basically long story short is this; it can look like some dudes are going home w/ their chick, but odds are they are probably either there with them or in the 90% I described as "hook ups". I would say only a small handful get random lays, guys who have solid game and know how to find those DTF without wasting hours on a non-DTF types.
Good call, finding the DTF ones is actually the difficult part here. I won't claim to have that down.
At the right venue, i can get my "hook up" count to close to 90%. When I say right venue, I mean a ratio close to half and half...not an awful venue or an odd night where nothing much is going on. Of those, one can get most of those phone #s for later , but those seldom pan out. Of the "hook ups" its a fairly small %, less than 10% i'd say for DTF.
Basically long story short is this; it can look like some dudes are going home w/ their chick, but odds are they are probably either there with them or in the 90% I described as "hook ups". I would say only a small handful get random lays, guys who have solid game and know how to find those DTF without wasting hours on a non-DTF types.