spinaroonie
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... actually bring girls home?
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
What % of Guys at a Bar/Club on a Given Night...
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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
It doesn't matter how many guys bring girls, what matters is whether one guy (you) brings a girl home. Don't worry about the other guys unless your game is so tight you don't have to worry about yourself.
Mike32ct
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Most of the couples you see leaving the bar are probably bf/gf that arrived together. Others are social circle hookups where they either already knew each other or were introduced by a friend. However, if you get there early and observe the entire night, you will see a small percentage of total strangers that met that night that are leaving together.
I would guess about 1 to 10 percent are same night lays of people that have never met before. I'm just referring to your average bar or club. Certain nightlife hotspots could be much higher. However, generally, that 80/20 or 90/10 rule really does apply here, roughly speaking.
Of course, this is only one night stands. There are a LOT of number closes that happen too. Most number closes from bars and clubs turn out to be flakes, but there are some couples that meet one night and really WANT to hook up that night, but the logistics are not favorable. She doesn't want to look like a sl*t in front of her gfs, so she exchanges numbers with a dude and maybe fawks him discretely on a Day 2. Or he might "booty text" her after her gfs drop her off at home.
I would guess about 1 to 10 percent are same night lays of people that have never met before. I'm just referring to your average bar or club. Certain nightlife hotspots could be much higher. However, generally, that 80/20 or 90/10 rule really does apply here, roughly speaking.
Of course, this is only one night stands. There are a LOT of number closes that happen too. Most number closes from bars and clubs turn out to be flakes, but there are some couples that meet one night and really WANT to hook up that night, but the logistics are not favorable. She doesn't want to look like a sl*t in front of her gfs, so she exchanges numbers with a dude and maybe fawks him discretely on a Day 2. Or he might "booty text" her after her gfs drop her off at home.
spinaroonie
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Interesting. Anyone else?
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A very small percentage. Same night pulls happen either as a result of phenomenally tight game, or out of a girl's need for validation. Most people enter and leave clubs with their social circle. Most hookups come from their social circle, as well; I'm a big proponent of cold approaching to expand one's circle, instead of going for the quick close.
If you want to increase your chances, go out alone and get used to opening random sets. Usually, your friends will hold you back unless they are REALLY good with women, and having more people around makes it more difficult to extract and isolate. Also, the logistics of driving, etc. can make same night pulls difficult.
Also, going to multiple venues in a night to look for girls is a very bad strategy. Pick one place and arrive early, then stay there for a few hours. This way, you will hopefully build some social proof and be in a good position to attract newcomers later in the night. The guys with the LOWEST social value are the guys that roll in at 2 am with no girls; their desperation is apparent to all.
If you want to increase your chances, go out alone and get used to opening random sets. Usually, your friends will hold you back unless they are REALLY good with women, and having more people around makes it more difficult to extract and isolate. Also, the logistics of driving, etc. can make same night pulls difficult.
Also, going to multiple venues in a night to look for girls is a very bad strategy. Pick one place and arrive early, then stay there for a few hours. This way, you will hopefully build some social proof and be in a good position to attract newcomers later in the night. The guys with the LOWEST social value are the guys that roll in at 2 am with no girls; their desperation is apparent to all.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
initiatorhater06
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a girl can go out to a bar or a club, and if she really wants to, she can go home with a guy, a guy can go out to a number of bars or clubs, and there is no guarantee he will leave with a girl
spinaroonie
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Thanks Captain Obvious.initiatorhater06 said:a girl can go out to a bar or a club, and if she really wants to, she can go home with a guy, a guy can go out to a number of bars or clubs, and there is no guarantee he will leave with a girl
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If they know the girl beforehand, it is higher, if they don't know the girl before hand, maybe like .05% (guessing).
I mean, I've known guys to bring a girl home, but even after that, the girls usually still bolt in the morning, and don't respond.
So if you think that a lot of guys are bringing girls home at a club or bar, they aren't.
I mean, I've known guys to bring a girl home, but even after that, the girls usually still bolt in the morning, and don't respond.
So if you think that a lot of guys are bringing girls home at a club or bar, they aren't.
spinaroonie
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To the playas on this board with high lay counts:
1) What's the key to racking up lays?
I'm thinking it's just to go out a lot, approach a lot, alcohol, and tight game. Given you hit the bars every weekend, and assuming you pull 1 out of every 4 nights you go out, that's about 10 lays/year. At this rate one can easily rack up 40 lays by age 25. Are my numbers accurate?
2) How do you identify which girls are down-to-fvck, and which ones are a waste of time? It's a numbers game but time is finite. How do you weed out the attention who-res, the prudes, the ones there to "just dance" etc. Much of the game is identifying the right girl at the right time in the right emotional state. After years of hitting the bars, I'm sure some of you with high lay counts have honed your DTF radar. What are the signs?
The path to increase your notch count is just going out a lot and approaching a lot of girls. But the key is to up your hit-miss ratio.
1) What's the key to racking up lays?
I'm thinking it's just to go out a lot, approach a lot, alcohol, and tight game. Given you hit the bars every weekend, and assuming you pull 1 out of every 4 nights you go out, that's about 10 lays/year. At this rate one can easily rack up 40 lays by age 25. Are my numbers accurate?
2) How do you identify which girls are down-to-fvck, and which ones are a waste of time? It's a numbers game but time is finite. How do you weed out the attention who-res, the prudes, the ones there to "just dance" etc. Much of the game is identifying the right girl at the right time in the right emotional state. After years of hitting the bars, I'm sure some of you with high lay counts have honed your DTF radar. What are the signs?
The path to increase your notch count is just going out a lot and approaching a lot of girls. But the key is to up your hit-miss ratio.
People bring girls home more than you'd think.spinaroonie said:To the playas on this board with high lay counts:
1) What's the key to racking up lays?
I'm thinking it's just to go out a lot, approach a lot, alcohol, and tight game. Given you hit the bars every weekend, and assuming you pull 1 out of every 4 nights you go out, that's about 10 lays/year. At this rate one can easily rack up 40 lays by age 25. Are my numbers accurate?
2) How do you identify which girls are down-to-fvck, and which ones are a waste of time? It's a numbers game but time is finite. How do you weed out the attention who-res, the prudes, the ones there to "just dance" etc. Much of the game is identifying the right girl at the right time in the right emotional state. After years of hitting the bars, I'm sure some of you with high lay counts have honed your DTF radar. What are the signs?
The path to increase your notch count is just going out a lot and approaching a lot of girls. But the key is to up your hit-miss ratio.
1. Same thing you said basically. Go out 2+ nights a week, approach and escalate with 10+ girls a night. If you're new, it'll take a few months to start seeing results. Otherwise you can pull anywhere from once a month to every night you're out.
2. This is going to sound obvious, but you just escalate fast and see what happens. Girls who are DTF will fvck you. Girls who aren't will leave.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
2) How do you identify which girls are down-to-fvck, and which ones are a waste of time? It's a numbers game but time is finite. How do you weed out the attention who-res, the prudes, the ones there to "just dance" etc. Much of the game is identifying the right girl at the right time in the right emotional state. After years of hitting the bars, I'm sure some of you with high lay counts have honed your DTF radar. What are the signs?
Good call, finding the DTF ones is actually the difficult part here. I won't claim to have that down.
At the right venue, i can get my "hook up" count to close to 90%. When I say right venue, I mean a ratio close to half and half...not an awful venue or an odd night where nothing much is going on. Of those, one can get most of those phone #s for later , but those seldom pan out. Of the "hook ups" its a fairly small %, less than 10% i'd say for DTF.
Basically long story short is this; it can look like some dudes are going home w/ their chick, but odds are they are probably either there with them or in the 90% I described as "hook ups". I would say only a small handful get random lays, guys who have solid game and know how to find those DTF without wasting hours on a non-DTF types.
Good call, finding the DTF ones is actually the difficult part here. I won't claim to have that down.
At the right venue, i can get my "hook up" count to close to 90%. When I say right venue, I mean a ratio close to half and half...not an awful venue or an odd night where nothing much is going on. Of those, one can get most of those phone #s for later , but those seldom pan out. Of the "hook ups" its a fairly small %, less than 10% i'd say for DTF.
Basically long story short is this; it can look like some dudes are going home w/ their chick, but odds are they are probably either there with them or in the 90% I described as "hook ups". I would say only a small handful get random lays, guys who have solid game and know how to find those DTF without wasting hours on a non-DTF types.