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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

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What now? she wants to meet only with friends involved

Who Dares Win

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The problem is the one written in the title, the girl is the one I spoke about here: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=192736

She usually replies to all my calls and texts after no more than a couple of minutes, so I get it as a sign of interest however when I asked her to meet she kept suggesting about me going out with her mixed group.

Of course Im pushing for a couple only meeting yet I would appreciate some suggestions about how to handle it.
Im spinning other plates of course but I like this girl, she is in my top 3 right now and the fact that she has an angel face doesnt help.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I'm sensing sexual interest is very low in this blessed heavenly beauty who's inner beauty is so divine and everlasting.:crackup:
 

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She's not just 18, she's a young 18. Mentally and socially, she is about 14. She will make a nice child bride if that is what you want. Anything else is just going to be very frustrating for you.
 

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Yeah ok odds are bad and situation crappy thats not anything I didnt know myself, I would actually appreciate suggestion about the best thing to do in this case.

What would you do in my place? I would rather avoid letting it go, want to give a shot first.
 

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If she insists on it being a group thing, nothing you can do, but do the group thing and just have a good time.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

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Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

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Who Dares Win

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yuppaz said:
If she insists on it being a group thing, nothing you can do, but do the group thing and just have a good time.
I'm afraid you're right yet I'll keep trying till the last momento possible.
Anyway if its gonna be a group date is there any thing in particular I should do like befriend her female girls since its them who give approval of guys or what?
 

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hello my friend,

In a nutshell, she's probly thinking 2 things:

-She thinks you're a virgin/rapist/AFC/creeper/beta/ that would make a good friend, and by good friend I mean guy with money that will treat the whole gang.
-she thinks you're alpha

comply to her requests to hang out in a group, and should expenses arise, keep them fair and minimum (unless you got tons of cash of course). After you've done that come back here and post any useful information you've gathered.



Good Luck.
 

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There are a lot of girls (especially younger ones) who hate the idea of dating. It's too formal and too intense for them. They're used to meeting guys on a night out, in school/college or social circles.

I've been surprised by girls I've dated 23 and over who said ours was their first one on one date. I have also been out with girls and their friends, sometimes it went really well, other times really badly.

If you really want something to happen with this girl, just go for it and meet her and her friends. If nothing happenes then chalk it down to an experience. The more dates and more varied dates you go on, the more you can learn from it, and it certainly doesn't hurt to push yourself out of your comfort zone.
 

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UPDATE: I realized it was a no win situation so decided to take time and wait for the water to flow.

Made some of those tricks that girls do and postponed the meeting to an other day, sometime your gut simplt screams before doing smt wrong.

Anyway after reading nightcrawler post some flash came in my mind, this girl in fact told me about some night where she got drunk and when I asked how much did she spent she said "NOTHING" implicitly meaning some sucker was financing her fun.
 

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No, No, No

If a girl does'nt want to chill with you one on one then she isn't that interested in you to begin with. You shouldn't be trying to win no one over in any situation. I dont know if anyone has noticed but if you do agree to her plans to hang out with her and her friends that puts YOU in a submissive position.

You need to tell her that your not interestd in hanging out with her and her friends. Tell her your digging her conversation and that you two need to get to know eachother better one on one.

If she can't agree with that then you need to let her go and keep campaigning. She isn't interested in you and most likely she has a dude.
 

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I'm going to side with AJ on this one as I've never seen this situation go anywhere. Most annoying situation was a chick I was supposed to be meeting one-on-one who suddenly invited other people along as the last minute without telling me.
 

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Speaking from personal experience: forget her.

Girls who only want to meet with their groups of friends are flakes. Scratch her off your list.
 

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PrettyBoyAJ said:
No, No, No

If a girl does'nt want to chill with you one on one then she isn't that interested in you to begin with. You shouldn't be trying to win no one over in any situation. I dont know if anyone has noticed but if you do agree to her plans to hang out with her and her friends that puts YOU in a submissive position.

You need to tell her that your not interestd in hanging out with her and her friends. Tell her your digging her conversation and that you two need to get to know eachother better one on one.

If she can't agree with that then you need to let her go and keep campaigning. She isn't interested in you and most likely she has a dude.[/QUOTE]


Bang on (see bold text). Same thing happened to me with an online girl. Fact of the matter is that she was already interested in another guy that she knew. I eventually got it out of her. Of course when the guy wasn't interested in her anymore, she suddenly wanted to step it up with me. I said "no thanks". I don't like to settle as someone's second prize. I have more self-respect than that.
 

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PrettyBoyAJ said:
No, No, No

If a girl does'nt want to chill with you one on one then she isn't that interested in you to begin with.
Agreed.
 
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