"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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what kind of mindset should I put, when asking for first ever date?

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ok, so I have never dated before and just learning to be interactive with girls. So even after I start talking, the next fear drives my thoughts is like how will I handle this girl in more intimate situation, what will I do? what can I talk about? and that puts me off balance.

What would you guys say would be the best place for first ever date?

I know everything about approach and how to get their number, but then whats next?

I am thinking about coffeeshop, but isn't this stupid? wouldn't I have to take her to movie or something? How can I interact wioth them more intimately, what would be less aggresive and deble for new comer?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Try getting to know a girl before considering where to ask her on a date. Sometimes ten minutes of good conversation is much better than 30 minutes of coffee.
 

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if you have trouble carrying on a conversation with her, chances are she's not a real good match for you

try to read up on some news updates and think up a funny or story or two to throw into a conversation in case things go cold or in case you just want to seem more interesting. Other than that, wing it, and use some degree of C & F.
 

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Think to yourself... "haha... you couldn't get this girl's number if you tried. yes i can! I can get it! just watch... I'll prove you wrong!" sorta talk to yourself in your mind. Make it a game.
 

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Obsidian said:
if you have trouble carrying on a conversation with her, chances are she's not a real good match for you

Damn good advice.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

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^^Yeah, but if this guy is shy like most virgins are, then not many girls are good matches for him. Not to say he couldn't change though.
 

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You want a good first date idea? Well, let me ask you a better question...what are your hobbies? What do YOU like to do?

For a first date, I would plan something a little unique for her. You are making a first impression, and the more natural you are with that impression, the better your date is going to be.

Try to make it an ACTIVE date. Forget the coffeehouse. Every Joe Blow in town takes her there. Forget the movies. John Doe has taken her there several times already this year. She is getting BORED with the movies.

You should try something fun like:

Take her to the putt-putt mini golf range
Take her roller/ice skating
Take her biking
Play a sport with her

Then after picking something like THAT, I would drive her to a lake or the park or somewhere, spread out a blanket and eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches!

You think I am joking, but I am being DEAD SERIOUS. The more goofy, the more lighthearted, and the more active you are, the more fun she is going to have.

You said yourself, you SUCK at talking. SO DON'T GO ON A DATE WHERE THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO!

Trust me, for someone who struggles with conversation, you're best bet is going to be getting her active somehow. Go swimming, go hiking, take her to an amusement park, take her fishing.

The sky is the limit. I'll bet NOBODY has ever had the balls to do something completely off the wall with her on a first date, and she'll LOVE that.

But you gotta learn how to talk man. Take a class that is going to force you to learn, like a speech class.
 

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Vypros said:
You want a good first date idea? Well, let me ask you a better question...what are your hobbies? What do YOU like to do?

For a first date, I would plan something a little unique for her. You are making a first impression, and the more natural you are with that impression, the better your date is going to be.

Try to make it an ACTIVE date. Forget the coffeehouse. Every Joe Blow in town takes her there. Forget the movies. John Doe has taken her there several times already this year. She is getting BORED with the movies.

You should try something fun like:

Take her to the putt-putt mini golf range
Take her roller/ice skating
Take her biking
Play a sport with her

Then after picking something like THAT, I would drive her to a lake or the park or somewhere, spread out a blanket and eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches!

You think I am joking, but I am being DEAD SERIOUS. The more goofy, the more lighthearted, and the more active you are, the more fun she is going to have.

You said yourself, you SUCK at talking. SO DON'T GO ON A DATE WHERE THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO!

Trust me, for someone who struggles with conversation, you're best bet is going to be getting her active somehow. Go swimming, go hiking, take her to an amusement park, take her fishing.

The sky is the limit. I'll bet NOBODY has ever had the balls to do something completely off the wall with her on a first date, and she'll LOVE that.

But you gotta learn how to talk man. Take a class that is going to force you to learn, like a speech class.
any speech session outside school in Montreal?

Because, as it stands, I am the most extroverted person in the class, I participate for 60% during my classes, If you saw me during my classes, you would only conclude that I have tones of girls with me with the way I talk and dress in class, I have above average vocabulary and am assertive, everyone is just tad below me, even if they are book smart.
For me, its the lack of experience with girls, which is hurting me. I become a bit reserved as I start thinking about every little word that comes out of my mind, when talking to girls. But then again its almost rare for me to fail in conversation, thats what I am all about, but it would be nice to take some session in speech just to give right direction and purpose to my coversations during the approaches.

And, In terms of sports I like Bicycles, Badminton,and I'm open to other experiences. I'd be happy to try anything for the first time.

Somehow, only if I can find the right motivational mentor, sky is the limit for me.
 
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