"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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What is this girl doing?

Fable

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So I've been reading these forums on and off for a long-ass time now, and as you can see from my post count, I've been getting along decent with just taking the advice and applying it, however there is one girl that I'm still unsure what to do about, we'll call her Jen. Her mixed signals are very confusing, it's in my best interest to keep/get her interested since I'm home for the summer, and I might've fvcked **** up from when I was an AFC. Regardless, here's some background.

I met this girl when I was in high school, she didn't go to the same school as mine, she's about 40 minutes away and we met through a tennis tournament that I played in. When we met I thought she was cute, however I ended up dating one of her friends that I also met during the tournament (in hindsight I'm shocked at how low my standards were at the time, but live and let live right?). So we talked, casually, I obviously wasn't looking for more since I was tied up at the time. Eventually contact just drifts since I stopped spending as much time there and I became busier with things on the homefront (school, clubs, applying to college). We stop talking for about 6 months to a year. Then there was the sporadic ("hey, what's up?" text from her) and we talked casually again, since this time I was dating another girl (somewhat long term relationship, lasted a year and half until I went to college). But overall, we didn't really RESUME contact until I was 2 months into college, now mind you I broke up with my ex by then, and Jen had broken up with her boyfriend once she realized that he became a fat pot smoking bum in college.

At this point in our "friendship", contact is 50/50, I still was an AFC at this time, however I did progress a lot from when I was in high school... when I was a WBAFC. She would text me, call me, whatever, and I'd do vice versa when I found time (I go to college 2,200 miles away from home). The entire time we talk she's very flirty, at certain points it even feels like we're dating (the pet names and ****). And this continues until I go home for winter break and we actually go on a date. Up until then I had been flaking on her for a while, whenever we'd set something up I'd end up being busy. (Fall break she wanted me to go watch her tennis game while I was in the area, ended up flaking to go to USC). But anyway, we go on that date, and there's a certain amount of chemistry, the thing that got me confused is that it wasn't officially a date nor was it a hang out session. At the time the AFC inside of me kept me from testing the waters in terms of using KINO or just being myself. So after we have the date and I go home, I try to continue talking to her like we did before, but it was obvious that her interest level went from 70/80 to a 40/50 (not as responsive, not engaging contact). So I kind of let it drop, didn't talk to her for months.

Fast forward to April, when I decide to get back in contact with some girls I knew from high school (Jen included) in "preparation" for my summer at home. At this point she's seemingly interested again, flirty, all that. So I feel good about it, (she strangely called to say have a safe flight the night before I left for home). Now once I got home, this was early May, I waited maybe a week or so, and I sent her a text, asking when she got out of school again. -- no response. Later I tried to establish contact again, no luck. So I just stopped pursuing, personally I don't think it's worth it.

Now I'm not looking for ADVICE persay, since I'm sure it's pretty much what I'm doing right now, moving on. But I'm wondering what I possibly did wrong, or what she was doing the entire time up till now. I've known her for a long ass time, maybe like 3-4 years. I'm just wondering what was up with all those on/off mixed signals she was sending.

Thanks guys.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Indecisive is a feminine trait. Women don't know what they want. It's up to the man to take what he wants. If the man gets rejected then so be it. You can't force a woman to want you.

I think your first text should have been, "Hey". If you got no answer then don't try to contact again until later down the road if you wish to do so.
 

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Thanks man, but I'm wondering if I should even contact her again ever? I mean I've done that whole not talking for however long and then contacting her again and I guess there's some results but does that ever get old?
 

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Quick Answer: Call her. Don't text. I would even go so far as to leave a message in this situation. Tell her what you want from her, be it a date or just a hangout. You need to stop beating around the bush.

Long Answer + Advice
When you went back home and you guys went on your 'unofficial date', that was your moment. You should have made your interest known. She obviously was waiting for you to make a move. You didn't, so she lost interest.

Doing anything now would have to be an attention grabber. She's bored with you. That's why I said call her and leave a message if you have to stating what you really want from her.

I would break this down more, but I'm at work. Good luck man.
 

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My guess is that she is seeing someone else and her silence is typical of how women deal with unwanted attention (this time from you ) .

Texting or calling ? It matters little - if a woman wants to be with you she will respond to any contact that you initiate.

This one is lost - move on.
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Yeah that's what I'm thinking jophil. I'm sure beating around the bush for too long didn't help.
 

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Fable, women oftentimes will shut you out, and either FZ you or ignore you, if you do not "make a move" within a certain window in time.

Their thinking seems to be that they 'played their part' in making themselves "available", and if you did not move on their subtle invitations, then you deserve to be shut out.

Most women believe that these 'invitations ' that they send men should be guaranteed ways to trigger his gushing attraction toward her..Women are raised to believe this.
IF that does not happen, she feels rejected because a woman's value (to herself) is tied up with her ability to attract and maneuver men into chasing her.

Quite often, you may see a woman (who has recently been rejected or ignored) by a good guy, quickly grab herself a beta male to fawn over her and shower her with the attention that provides a repair of her damaged self esteem.
 

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jophil28 said:
Fable, women oftentimes will shut you out, and either FZ you or ignore you, if you do not "make a move" within a certain window in time.

Their thinking seems to be that they 'played their part' in making themselves "available", and if you did not move on their subtle invitations, then you deserve to be shut out.

Most women believe that these 'invitations ' that they send men should be guaranteed ways to trigger his gushing attraction toward her..Women are raised to believe this.
IF that does not happen, she feels rejected because a woman's value (to herself) is tied up with her ability to attract and maneuver men into chasing her.

Quite often, you may see a woman (who has recently been rejected or ignored) by a good guy, quickly grab herself a beta male to fawn over her and shower her with the attention that provides a repair of her damaged self esteem.
I'm not religious, but this is gospel!
 

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At this point I'm unsure of the whole make them chase you idea? Where does that come into play? Or the whole make sure they're interest level is higher than yours.

Thanks for the words of wisdom though, it makes a lot of sense.
 

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Fable said:
At this point I'm unsure of the whole make them chase you idea? Where does that come into play? Or the whole make sure they're interest level is higher than yours.

Thanks for the words of wisdom though, it makes a lot of sense.
You will die a virgin if you adopt the mindset..."Make them chase you".

The key point for men (who are not BRADLEY PITT) is to INITIATE and ESCALATE - and learn to do it with style and coolness.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Heh, I'll keep that in mind.

Okay, I'm gonna let this one go and move on.
 

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jophil28 said:
You will die a virgin if you adopt the mindset..."Make them chase you".

The key point for men (who are not BRADLEY PITT) is to INITIATE and ESCALATE - and learn to do it with style and coolness.
Exactly, this whole "make them chase you" mindset, that is so big on this site, is such a misconception. You snooze you lose. Very cliche but true.
 

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You said its been 3-4 years since you seen them when you were in school. Being that your in your early 20's, girls that age don't know what they want. They're out exploring the field and seeing whats out there, oppose to a woman in there 30's who do know what they want. I believe that need some experience to realize that there is no such thing as a perfect "real man" that they fantasize about. From my experience as long as you fall in the general area of what they're looking for and they can't walk all over you, you'll be fine. As far as this girl is concerned she is probably getting attention from other guy's and if she was into you it would show so let it be. Any more texts and you will come across as needy.
 
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