"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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bunjy

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Need some opinions here DJ's.

So I msg this girl on OK Cupid and get her number. Straight away I basically tell her I want to take her out, she agrees. We have a bit of txt banter for a day or two before I ask her casually what she is doing this weekend, she says shes really busy etc. So I think this is a right off. Anyway over the course of a week shes constantly txting me and trying to engage me in conversation. Foolishly (and mainly because Ive been bored working over christmas) I oblige and get drawn into long txt conversations. I know this is a a bad thing but as I said I was bored and kinda had the feeling she wouldnt meet me anyway.

Throughout the course of the week I learn she meets lots of people of the internet (she seems to have lots of stories regarding meeting people online) and to some extent has issues with men. Interestingly I learn she seems to only meet men online by 'inviting' them to meet her when shes already out with her girl friends in bars etc. Obviously this is a disaster and something any man would want to avoid for a first meeting.

Anyway fast forward to lastnight and she txts me asking her to meet her in a bar with her friends, she invites me to bring a friend. Firstly I would never do this anyway as its not my style, sure after a meet or two I would but never for a first meeting. Secondly I wasnt intending on going to a bar as was up early and in work today and finally my buddies where all busy lastnight anyway. So I basically told her I wasnt going to meet because its not really my style to meet women on a first meet when shes out with all her friends. I was pretty blunt and told her I prefer to meet just the two of us (I did mention at least at first).

Anyway, that was it now. I got no reply back and had nothing off her at all today. Basically I think she thinks Ive turned down her date offer? Have I been nexted??? Is it worth trying again??

To be honest Im not bothered really as she obviously has attention issues and I have a feeling she likes to string guys along. Shes quite hot and I suspect I may have been the first man who has basically turned down her offer of a 'date', in a weird way I kinda feel like I have won on this one :) I can imagine most of the guys she asks to meet her with all her friends jumps at the chance.
 
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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sounds to me like she needs to know what her friends think of whoever shes meeting to some degree .

i wouldnt worry if you have been nexted.......from what you have wrote you dodged a bullet my friend.....sounds like she is a tyre kicker to me .

dont some women think that guys will just do anything to get pvssy , you said it right mate and i think she nows she cant play you.
 

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tripod23 said:
sounds to me like she needs to know what her friends think of whoever shes meeting to some degree .

i wouldnt worry if you have been nexted.......from what you have wrote you dodged a bullet my friend.....sounds like she is a tyre kicker to me .

dont some women think that guys will just do anything to get pvssy , you said it right mate and i think she nows she cant play you.

Yeah. I think on some level it is about her being shy/wanting to get her friends opinion but I also think that its also her gameplaying and just wanting attention to make herself feel better.
 

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So I decided to txt her as I wasnt really bothered which way it went and figured I had nothing to lose. I txted her yesterday basically asking her if she wants to go out on Friday. Got no reply.

Obviously its no loss for me but an interesting observation about attention seeking women. She sucked attention off me all week, offered a pathetic excuse for a date and now has bailed cos I told her im not playing on her terms.
 

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That's why you can't waste time and yap away with meaningless texts. You wanna meet? Fine. No? See ya, all the best in the future. You don't have to comply to anyone's terms, especially some strange girl's for the slight, remote possibility to get some ass.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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bunjy

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VladPatton said:
That's why you can't waste time and yap away with meaningless texts. You wanna meet? Fine. No? See ya, all the best in the future. You don't have to comply to anyone's terms, especially some strange girl's for the slight, remote possibility to get some ass.
Exactly. Basic but golden advice. I dont usually waste much time on txt game or whatever but got drawn in this time.

Classic case (and good example) of a chick who was interested in nothing other than satisfying her need for attention. Whether that be via txting or silly meetups whilst shes in the company of friends. I cant believe some guys actually meet her when shes out with all her friends!!
 

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Interestingly this chick txted me lastnight. I didnt respond and after 30 mins she txted me again asking 'why are you ignoring me'. Haha.

I genuinely have given up on this one and not really to keen on her anyway (mainly because shes obv and AW with issues) but will be interesting to see how my 'not bothered' approach goes down. Is it true women are more attracted to guys who basically act nonchalant and disinterested? Guess Im about to find out.

I dont think (and dont even really want it to) this will go any further but will be a good experiment to see how it pans out.
 
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