What is the most difficult part of meeting/attracting women

[Dean Gladwyn]

1. Initial approach (approach anxiety and haze)
3. Knowing what to say
3. Transition anxiety (getting physical or moving to an instant date)
4. Asking for the number
5. Building chemistry and connection
6. Flake prevention
7. Beginning a sexual relationship

What are your personal struggles/sticking points guys?

 

[SargeMaximus]

Having to ignore all the gurus

 

[Dean Gladwyn]

Having to ignore all the gurus

Agree. Especially when the advice is vague or useless

 

[Stanley]

dfsdf for sure

EdIt: Hey what happened to the poll? I wanted to know what dfsdf was!

 

[NealIRC]

Getting approached by them is the hardest.

Girls usually go places with other people, so.

 

[Dean Gladwyn]

Getting approached by them is the hardest.

Girls usually go places with other people, so.

You mean that you go out hoping that women approach you?

 

[CollegeMan22]

Everything is pretty smooth for me, except the transition from getting their number to getting them on the first date. I have roughly a 3/4 dropout rate at this stage. Lots of non responders or women who are “busy” (not interested).

Do you guys have any advice for improvement at this stage? I do day approaches, I flirt and tease em a bit, get them to laugh some, learn some basic sh!t about her, tell some stories. Then I ask if she likes nature….. “yes” ….. then I ask if she’s heard of this park near my campus. Usually they say no and I tell them its cool features, then I directly say “We should go there sometime” with strong eye contact. Then I try to schedule a date at night, with no BS texts in between.

Advice for improvement?

 

[Stanley]

Everything is pretty smooth for me, except the transition from getting their number to getting them on the first date. I have roughly a 3/4 dropout rate at this stage. Lots of non responders or women who are “busy” (not interested).

Do you guys have any advice for improvement at this stage? I do day approaches, I flirt and tease em a bit, get them to laugh some, learn some basic sh!t about her, tell some stories. Then I ask if she likes nature….. “yes” ….. then I ask if she’s heard of this park near my campus. Usually they say no and I tell them its cool features, then I directly say “We should go there sometime” with strong eye contact. Then I try to schedule a date at night, with no BS texts in between.

Advice for improvement?

From the post i've read of yours you seem to go for 'the kill' quickly, nothing wrong with that, but you are likely to get girls to drop off earlier on you. If you are forward or even pushy and the girl gives you her number it doesn't necessarily mean she is of adequate interest. Girls when pressured will give out their numbers or socials opposed to outright rejecting you. Women dislike direct confrontation and feel safer hidden behind a phone. If you are struggling to transition from number to date there is likely a lack of rapport, chemistry or genuine interest. If this is a girl you hardly know you've got to be a bit more patient and willing to let things unfold and cultivate a bit. Up to you how long you are willing to do that though. Regardless, the answer is interest level, the bright side is you can build interest in one another, but it takes nuance and time.

The direct mode one style approach makes interest levels abundantly clear from the get-go though, but you will get more rejection often than not. It depends on the context, the girl, and what is you are after.

Patience: What truly makes a Don Juan

Women, on initial dates, just simply want to have fun and have a good time. Men can throw too much affection too soon, too fast, and scare the woman off. Women find this as 'desperation'. It is the ultimate turn-off to them.

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[NealIRC]

You mean that you go out hoping that women approach you?

No, I don't have to hope, I can actually go out and perform action.

 

[Dean Gladwyn]

dfsdf for sure

EdIt: Hey what happened to the poll? I wanted to know what dfsdf was!

I was being thick and didn't know how to create a poll properly on here haha

 

[manfrombelow]

The hardest part to me is the approaching a.k.a getting through her defensive barriers. Always!

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

Female retention. Keeping her interested on her heels till you bag her.
texting off the handle she gets bored.
distant/cold she has other options.
Striking a balance can be a crutch
After the banging cool as ice

 

[Dean Gladwyn]

The hardest part to me is the approaching a.k.a getting through her defensive barriers. Always!

Main problem for most guys tbh

 

[Dean Gladwyn]

Everything is pretty smooth for me, except the transition from getting their number to getting them on the first date. I have roughly a 3/4 dropout rate at this stage. Lots of non responders or women who are “busy” (not interested).

Do you guys have any advice for improvement at this stage? I do day approaches, I flirt and tease em a bit, get them to laugh some, learn some basic sh!t about her, tell some stories. Then I ask if she likes nature….. “yes” ….. then I ask if she’s heard of this park near my campus. Usually they say no and I tell them its cool features, then I directly say “We should go there sometime” with strong eye contact. Then I try to schedule a date at night, with no BS texts in between.

Advice for improvement?

This could be something technical or it could be your general vibe.

Do you mind if I ask you what your day to day life and activities look like?

 

[SW15]

1. Initial approach (approach anxiety and haze)
3. Knowing what to say
3. Transition anxiety (getting physical or moving to an instant date)
4. Asking for the number
5. Building chemistry and connection
6. Flake prevention
7. Beginning a sexual relationship

What are your personal struggles/sticking points guys?

Of these options, I would say 1 & 6 have caused these most problems for me over the years.

 

[Barrister]

Probably #6 -- because it is generally out of your control.

First, flakes before a 1st date are unavoidable. Women are such capricious creatures that there is really no preventing it no matter what you do whether you subscribe to rapport building or setting up the date and saying nothing more. Second, I have even had 1st dates that I have knocked out of the park and even got a lay out of and for some unknown reason she flakes the next round. Now, the second is very rare, but it happens.

At the end of the day, women have a variety of reasons or sometimes no reason for flaking. You can only do things to lessen those chances, but it is never at 0.

 

[SW15]

Probably #6 -- because it is generally out of your control.

First, flakes before a 1st date are unavoidable. Women are such capricious creatures that there is really no preventing it no matter what you do whether you subscribe to rapport building or setting up the date and saying nothing more. Second, I have even had 1st dates that I have knocked out of the park and even got a lay out of and for some unknown reason she flakes the next round. Now, the second is very rare, but it happens.

At the end of the day, women have a variety of reasons or sometimes no reason for flaking. You can only do things to lessen those chances, but it is never at 0.

It's a good idea to reduce pre-first date flaking and also to avoid "one date, no sex, no 2nd date" type interactions. "One date, no sex, no second date" interactions are quite common from using swipe apps.

 

[NealIRC]

As an incel-virgin, I would say the hardest part is getting into a girl's friendzone. As in, they still would not strike a convo with you, if they saw you a 2nd or 3rd time, provided you talked to them the 1st time.

I said before I don't do nightclubs since I don't drink, need 8 hours of sleep, and going solo looks bad. I do a lot of approaching at the beach. I hand out atheism pamphlets. But not to conservative-dressed girls at the beach, but the type that wears thongs and such. I'm from Chicago, and since after Adam Toledo was killed by the police, and the George Floyd protests, my new line is "do you know anyone killed by the police before?" But this is not used on White women, only Hispanic girls. And the type of Hispanic girls I approach are usually the 1s involved with gangs. But, like all convos with women, they never ask me any questions. The convo ends when I run out of questions, and walk away. The beauty is if you find reoccuring people at places like beaches, since I hand out a lot of documents that can fascinate people.

 

[kavi]

Actually meeting them in a place where socialising is the norm.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

1. Initial approach (approach anxiety and haze)
3. Knowing what to say
3. Transition anxiety (getting physical or moving to an instant date)
4. Asking for the number
5. Building chemistry and connection
6. Flake prevention
7. Beginning a sexual relationship

None of those things were ever a struggle for me...however..

What are your personal struggles/sticking points guys?

Rejection.

No man wants or likes to be rejected.

I can close the deal with 9/10 women, but that one rejection will still STING.

All you can do is..

1. Continue improving yourself and thereby placing yourself in the best position to succeed.
2. Be a quick healer (recover quickly from any strike against your self esteem/confidence).
3. Stick to your principles, then it becomes more about you, and less about THEM.

Then it will be all gravy, baby.