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What is considered charming?

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Hi Im new here,


past events in my life (got cheated on) have taken away some of my "know how" with women, one of them is to be charming.


What do you guys consider to be charming in terms of conversation and acts doing it with minimal amout of BS ing and ass kissing.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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Isn't "charming" a bit cliché?
 

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Charm only works for 007. Shoot for more the DJ approach like what's covered in the DJ bible. A DJ is just a little too rough on the edges and too care-free to come across as charming.
 

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Charm is making some one feel comfertable with them selves in your presence. Charm is helping some one feel good about them selves in your presence, so those feelings will be reflected back at you. The person(s) will associate these positive feels with you. Read "how to influence people" by dale carnighie
 

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cyp6 said:
Charm is making some one feel comfertable with them selves in your presence. Charm is helping some one feel good about them selves in your presence, so those feelings will be reflected back at you. The person(s) will associate these positive feels with you. Read "how to influence people" by dale carnighie

Thanks that's great!

I don't want to be too charming but I think sometimes it's appropriate. Especially if the girl deserves it, unlike the stuck up bimbos out there.:D
 

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Charm is my main tool for making friends, and getting girls. People on this site under estimate it, its not AFC if your charming to every one.(when you first meet them) The most powerful men in our history were very charming. And your absolutely right not every one deserves your charm.
 

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cyp6 said:
Charm is my main tool for making friends, and getting girls. ...
I think you're mixing up charm with charisma.
 

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Charisma is intrinsic, while charm is extrinsic. Like your earlier example, charm is about making other people feel good about themselves (external) while charisma is makes people feel good about you (internal).
 

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Charisma is the ability to completey bull**** a group of people and have them walking away never realizing that you totally blew smoke up their ass. In my experience, the people who have this ability are usually completely incompetent morons and have the uncanny ability to shift blame and cover their own ass. They tend to be politicians and middle/upper management.

Charm with women, IMHO, is the ability to get them to lower some of their defenses and engage you in conversation and to continue to lower more defenses and accept suggestions like "Will you have dinner with me Saturday night?"
 

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RogueWarrior said:
Charisma is the ability to completey bull**** a group of people and have them walking away never realizing that you totally blew smoke up their ass. In my experience, the people who have this ability are usually completely incompetent morons and have the uncanny ability to shift blame and cover their own ass. They tend to be politicians and middle/upper management.
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eh? that is nothing to do with been charismatic. I don't understand how you came to 'blowing smoke up their ass' and that charismatic people are morons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charisma

Charisma is considered an attractive trait. Not the trait of someone trying to blame other people for things?.
 

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I'm being facetious here. Charisma these days doesn't mean the same thing is says in the dictionary. It's gotten all screwed up like how far too many people consider celebrities to be wise individuals. Celebrities have charisma. They're able to get people to believe whatever drivel spews from their pie-holes. And they know it. But in reality, they're woefully misinformed.
 

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Frenchconnection said:
Thanks that's great!

I don't want to be too charming but I think sometimes it's appropriate. Especially if the girl deserves it, unlike the stuck up bimbos out there.:D
Are you actually French?
 

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my girlfriend says my 'charm' is what seperated me in her eyes from the other guys trying to get with her
 
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